Mandriva

[rolf]

Thanks for the report! I will keep watching.

[viking60]

Short report:
I decided to test ssh in Dolphin:
I open dolphin
I hit CTRL+L
And for some reason dolphin never wanted to take ssh so we have to use fish (or sftp):


Works like a charm no problem.
Checked

[viking60]

Mandriva has been fairly good to communicate the progress and time plans:
http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic. ... 5&t=135195
But as of the RC releases it looks like the development has come to a halt. There is the discussion of kernel3 and the TimeFrame function in the Rosalab menu is not working.
Every communicated time scale is broken and no new release date is communicated.
May I suggest that I am getting a little impatient here

[R_Head]

Screw Rosa Lab, just launch without for now. Never had it on the past, so why is so important all the sudden...

[viking60]

I think it has something to do with this
Where Russia has decided to use Linux and open source in all Russian federal agencies. Many of the applications will have to be created.
In that setting showing competence in developing something (new and different) could prove to be very good for Russian companies.
Capiche?

[rolf]

It's a dramatic shake-up, pretty much do or die for Mandriva, I'd say. The business model for Free and Open Source Software has proved elusive, afaict. I wait and see. Changing the distro is not off the table but I'm always on the look out for a path of least resistance.

[viking60]

I am right in there with you - in that gruesome fight! Think I will have a whiskey now - that'l teach them

And I presume you mean the Mandriva business model - not in general?

[dedanna1029]

No. It is in general, at least in today's economy. The Russians appear to at least be giving Linux one in their corner of the world, of which they deserve kudos. The issue is that for the typical business owner, it is elusive in how to implement Linux. It can be done & done well, as I've done it for businesses in the past but it's rare when business owners can learn themselves how to use & implement it, much less to find someone to do it for them. Plus if things don't work as they should, as with Rosa, then that complicates things more for them.

[rolf]

FOSS, historically, was developed on the internet by unpaid enthusiasts/geeks and passed around for free. Charging for it is not a violation of the GPL but hard to accomplish, especially, as I saw it, when the dotcom bubble injected so much speculative cash into Linux upstarts and pipe dreams in an attempt to win market share. So, my take is making the business model for this type of product is unprecedented, hard to do, and yet to be proven. The Rosalabs look, on paper, to have a good shot at making something like that happen but it remains to be seen.

[viking60]

Yes making money out of Linux is a problem because you almost need a lawyer. Obviously Redhat and Google have proven that it is possible. But for small businesses you have to make "maintenance" contracts.
Often you have to take a lot of risk to make money on it.

[dedanna1029]

No. I'm with rolf on this one. The "contracts" are nothing. It's the actual day to day operation & making it fly for business. The tools are well more than there but to few know what they are & find it hard to find out. Rosalabs is taking a stab at this very thing but it does remain to be seen as to if they win out.

[viking60]

Hm the development of Mandriva 2011 is finished and ready.
http://blog.mandriva.com/en/
Normally that would mean that my cooker now is => Mandriva 2011. Before I comment further on that I need to find out my Mandriva version.
I have been so Archefied lately that I have forgotten.
It was something like <Some command + version>
My MCC indicates Mandriva 2012.0

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uname -a
Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.38.7-desktop-1mnb2 #1 SMP Sun May 22 19:38:58 UTC 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux


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