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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 10 Dec 2011, 21:47

http://rpm5.org/community/rpm-users/0847.html

After more searching than I thought would be needed, I found a thread from almost 4 years ago at the rpm5.org ML archives. That link is from where I subscribed and posed the issue. Go "next in thread" multiple times to see progress. It appears simple to restore the functionality and Jeff Johnson has closed the bug. POK has taken up the cause. I don't understand completely the technical issues but it might or might not become default, again. If no one else is actually using this, I can add the macro myself.

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 10 Dec 2011, 22:04

Yes I saw the there was provided a solution. Adding the macros seems straight forward (he said without having a clue :-D )
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 10 Dec 2011, 22:15

echo '%_rpmgio .ufdio'>> /etc/rpm/macros

When done, as root, that will add the 'macro' to the macros file that rpm consults, among other places, for rules when it's run. You don't seem to miss using rpm with a url. I've come to rely on it for checking the -i (info/description) of an rpm I happen across on the internet, or to downgrade to a previous version of an rpm, without having to download it and have it lie around or take extra steps to delete it (user-friendliness), or check the changelog of an rpm in the wild, to see if maybe, some problem I'm having has been patched away in some cooker or testing, etc. version. There might be other uses I forget, atm, but it wasn't long before I missed this in 2011.0. Now, it's all better. :berserk2

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 11 Dec 2011, 00:31

I have not used it, but I will.
But RPM5 is rather exclusive for Mandriva 2011, doesn't that matter?
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 11 Dec 2011, 00:40

If I follow the discussion, rpm5 ships with that function disabled. See man rpm:

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 -p, --package PACKAGE_FILE
              Query  an  (uninstalled)  package PACKAGE_FILE.  The PACKAGE_FILE may be specified as an
              ftp or http style URL, in which case the package header will be downloaded and  queried.
              See  FTP/HTTP  OPTIONS  for  information  on rpm's internal ftp and http client support.


That's been there, since I've been using Linux, early 2000. It still works in rpm4, which is why my test of PCLOS livecd, mentioned in the bug, worked: PCLOS still uses rpm4. So, I don't know how widely rpm5 is being used but I think it is coming. Right now, starting with Mandriva 2011.0, I will just add that macro, if POK does not make it default; rpm4 works with URL by default, afaik.

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 11 Dec 2011, 13:42

You have had such a profound impact that it will be standard in rpm-5.4.4-22
Per Øvind Karlsen wrote:
I've enabled this by default in rpm-5.4.4-22 now, but I'm not likely to
backport this to 2011..
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Re: Mandriva

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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 24 Dec 2011, 23:06

jcl_vanier has done some good detective work at Mandriva Forum to get the net_applet working right. I have followed the method in the following post by verg, adding Edumandriva repos and updating the relevant packages.
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 02 Jan 2012, 02:23

AshLeDombos wrote:Well,let's make it short: everything was fine, but there is a big problem: a minor shareholder (Linlux) refuses the capital injection required for Mandriva to continue, even though the Russian investor had offered to bear it alone .

Except turnaround Mandriva should cease activity Jan. 16 (Sorry for the bad news, for those who did not already know).

:(


Not looking too hopeful, over there. :confused

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 02 Jan 2012, 11:57

Oh boy - that is back to the old depressing situation.
I have to admit I was somewhat suspicious though:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4&start=180#p10937
The bold moves towards RMP5 and RosaMenus was just an experiment in a situation where continuance and consolidation would have been easier.
The Russians have paid and probably did not get the wanted success in their home market. So they see no reason to pay more for a non working solution.
Linux will be a major factor in Russia, but it will not be Mandriva by the looks of it. :wall:
There has been to much turbulence for any organisation to invest in Mandriva; even their greatest fan could not guarantee that they would be there tomorrow.
As a leader you simply have to reduce the risk as much as you can. Even If Mandriva should be the best Linux out there, you pick the one that you have confidence in. The French parliament did pick Suse - that is a total fiasco for Mandriva. It is almost unheard of that the super national French pick a foreign product.
So the meltdown is complete I guess.
Mandriva will be a base for forks and community activities. It has not been good business for years - since the Microsoft intervention on the Nigeria deal. That was the decisive turning point.
Mandriva was a big distro that mattered - it is not anymore. :C
The Forks are PCLOS that have provided a certain stability (and apt-get) , Mageia and Unity that was supposed to be a base for Mandriva Forks. Unity is melting down too these days. Mageia is a display of hopeless communication and an elitist community orientation where the community is lifted up as the one and only thing - as long as it fits the self appointed Gurus. But unlike Mandriva 2011 - I think it will be possible to upgrade Mandriva 2010 to Mageia.

On the 16th of January I will offer 1 Euro for Mandriva giving me the control over the trade mark :cheers
(Somehow I have a slight feeling that the Russians will not let that happen though........ :think: )
It still is one of the best distros...
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 02 Jan 2012, 15:34

viking60 wrote:The Russians have paid and probably did not get the wanted success in their home market. So they see no reason to pay more for a non working solution.
:think:

The information is very incomplete but I took AshLeDombos' comment to mean the Russians still intended to go forward, just "a minor shareholder (Linlux) refuses the capital injection required for Mandriva to continue" Who/what is Linlux?
Google shows mostly domain registrar ads... :confused

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 02 Jan 2012, 19:10

Yes I cannot find any Linlux either. I assume they are Russians. Mandriva is a good distro - the working part is for the Russians needs. They must have fallen on their nose with Mandriva.
Remember - the prospect was to make it a standard for educational systems in Russia. If that succeeded they would gladly pay up.
And the rubles would role.....

hmm Ruble'n Roll - it could make a good music genre even if it would be more related to Blues than Rock'n Roll in this case
:A

Time for Linlux to wake up I guess :-D
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