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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 22 Oct 2011, 00:46

Yes, I see grub2 coming, just as I am comfortable with how grub works. :f
I like grub, so far, and would be interested to have a grub2-guru-berserk to bug about it. :B
Here, idk that I have a grub:sata problem; the sata hard drive installation boots the kernel, so grub has left the building, and the symptoms are quite similar when booting the installation/live disks.

Over here they tell me one SATA controller uses the Marvell 88SE6121 chipset, which is the fancy 'Drive Xpert' 2-port controller and lspci tells me 4 of the other six ports are on one Intel controller, the other two on another:
IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller #1
IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 2 port SATA IDE Controller #2
bonus lspci output on the Marvell:
IDE interface: Marvell Technology Group Ltd. 88SE6121 SATA II Controller (rev b1)

So, quite possibly some SATA controller chip issues (or cable, or drive....) but not, strictly speaking, an nVidia controller issue.

However, it's food for thought. :berserk2
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 25 Oct 2011, 02:29

jkerr82508 wrote:Mandriva should have been honest from the outset and stated that upgrading from previous releases was not possible. They'd have received some negative re-action, but I think less than they have had. Publishing an upgrade procedure that has to be prefaced with the warning that "It will break your system" seems to be a bit crazy to me.

Jim

the wiki wrote:WARNING-WARNING!

The following instruction DOES NOT guarantee fully working system after upgrading AT ALL. It will break your system.

UPDATE: working upgrade script from 2010 to 2011, beta-version, must be executed from root. Needs lots of free space in /var (unknown, how much). If it stops running, run it again. Use it at your own risk.

http://kenobi.mandriva.com/~abarakin/mdv-2010-2011.sh


Yes, it is confusing but there are still a lot of rough edges, language barriers the evident source on many occasions. However, the script worked well for me, albeit from a fresh ftp install of 2010.2, it works, sometimes, at least. I'm afraid MIB packages can stymie any distribution update strategy, so I thought it important not to have any of those onboard. I believe, on reflection, the warning in the wiki edit was intended to flag the original instructions, kept for historical reasons, and link to the new script, which worked smoothly, in my case.

Now, I'm committed to 2011, have installed the grub to MBR. There have been some little challenges to get things working as I need but everything is pretty close. Some might remember my struggles with Dropbox on previous attempts with the 2011 pre-releases. I tried many things with this installation of 2011, winding up with building nautilus-dropbox-0.6.9 from source, and that involved finding a patch for the Makefile @ google. Then, there is still no dropbox icon. I have unlinked and linked my computer @ dropbox.com so many times today I've lost count.

With the binary from the source build, a fresh download of the dropbox daemon, and a successful linkage to the "Cloud", I am able to use the dropbox CL to get a public link, which is all I ever use of the icon functionality:

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dropbox puburl FILE


For any of my dropbox public files.

Further to that, there is a kde-service-menu for dropbox: Dropbox ServiceMenu 0.15.4

I ran the deinstall.sh script from my previous installation of this, looked into some dependencies, then ran the install-it.sh script from the newer version.

Now, I don't even have to start nautilus. but simply right-click the public file in konqueror, choose Dropbox -> Generate public url...
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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 25 Oct 2011, 10:48

So lemme see if I can translate your divine guru-stuff for us (very) mortals:
1. You tried to upgrade - like me - on your actual 2010.2 installation
1.5 You fell on your back - like me (Charlie Brown style). Because there was a load of dependency files that had to be fixed manually - in my case way to many to fix -probably in your case too - right?

2. You made a backup of your home files with the fantastic Guru backup script we have here.
2.5 You had no problems whatsoever with that of course.

3. You made a fresh 2010.2 install (because a fresh install of 2011 did not work?)
3.5 No problem

4. You ran the Wiki script from tty 3
4.5 And it works if you do not have MIB repos?

5. You put your home files back with rsync (Not yet but that is the plan. And you are mostly worried about the .KDE files which I am not :-D )
5.5 And everything works?

Is this a way the Berserks need to follow?
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 25 Oct 2011, 15:57

viking60 wrote:So lemme see if I can translate your divine guru-stuff for us (very) mortals:
1. You tried to upgrade - like me - on your actual 2010.2 installation
1.5 You fell on your back - like me (Charlie Brown style). Because there was a load of dependency files that had to be fixed manually - in my case way to many to fix -probably in your case too - right?


I forget, exactly, what the problem was. Let me see. Here:
I tried similar, remember the

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urpmi --auto --auto-update --replacefiles 2>&1 | tee upgrade.log
instruction. Would not even boot. I wonder about all the MIB stuff I had installed for 2010.2 and, moreso, the transition from rpm4 to rpm5, which was attended by much wailing and gnashing of teeth @cooker mailing list leading up to the release of 2011.

So, basically, the upgrade finished but wouldn't boot. Also, many attempts at live install or, even, booting various 2011 live disks were not successful or required booting to runlevel 3 and setting up X to use the generic vesa driver. https://qa.mandriva.com/show_bug.cgi?id=62825

viking60 wrote:2. You made a backup of your home files with the fantastic Guru backup script we have here.
2.5 You had no problems whatsoever with that of course.


Not exactly but that would be one way to do it.

viking60 wrote:3. You made a fresh 2010.2 install (because a fresh install of 2011 did not work?)
3.5 No problem


Yes, no fresh install I did would boot except to the dracut: prompt, limited shell command set, / not mounted, unable to mount what partitions I could see with ls /dev, could not fix. The ftp install of 2010.2 was solid and trouble-free. I put it into one 250G reiserfs partition, mounted as /. I created my user the way it has always been, same name, same uid and gid (under Advanced in the "Create a User" step of install), so all the files and directories in the /home I have been dragging forward for 10 years will just work.

viking60 wrote:4. You ran the Wiki script from tty 3
4.5 And it works if you do not have MIB repos?


Yes. First I did a urpmi -v --auto-update but the "Check for updates?" step at the end of install had worked, so all was up-to-date. On various attempts to install software in the recent past, I have seen "something cannot be installed because it depends on a version of foo that is older than your installed foo" where MIB is the installed newer version. So, that might not be catastrophic but is a possible source of headaches. As the wiki says, all packages (about 1690, here) are downloaded before being installed, all at once. I was in a 250G partition, plenty of space. I ran the script from init 3 to minimize possible glitches from X, there was no interruption of the connection to carroll.cac.psu.edu, and everything completed in one step. I noticed some steps related to installing rpm5 to do with database rebuilding or such. Maybe that is a refinement of the beta script.

viking60 wrote:5. You put your home files back with rsync (Not yet but that is the plan. And you are mostly worried about the .KDE files which I am not :-D )
5.5 And everything works?


First, I checked out the pristine 2011 KDE. I think there are some improvements but look and feel is something I have made choices about over many years, so I went about seeing how I could take out things I did not choose or would not have chosen, like stack folders :evil: . Then, while just copying rsync backup files back over would be clean, my backup is sort of a bare minimum, my hoarder /home is 353G, at this point, I am lazy, and my method is to create the mount points for /home and my 4 other data partitions in fstab. On next boot, this has the effect of hiding the /home directory that was created on the / partition at install and using everything that is in the partition mounted on /home.

That restores the bulk of my look and feel, with the differences between successive upgrades being, relatively, minor. Various little glitches take time to resolve, some more major :wall: like dropbox take a little more time but, as in other such upgrades, it is manageable, given a little free time.

viking60 wrote:Is this a way the Berserks need to follow?
I would think it is a fairly straightforward method to try, in case 2011 upgrade or fresh install isn't working, in case there is enough free disk space to play with. :berserkf

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Mandriva 2011 Power Pack is out!

Postby rolf » 15 Nov 2011, 17:41

So it seems, right down to the wire. :greetings

The brand new Mandriva Linux Powerpack 2011 is here
Posted on November 15, 2011 by scalpo

Following the Mandriva Linux free 2011 Mandriva is proud to launch the Mandriva Powerpack 2011, the full version of Mandriva Linux! Based on its new product strategy, Mandriva changes the release procedure, aiming for a one-year period between major releases. However, Mandriva will also release updated versions of its products
on a periodic time on a 6-month basis. more->

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 15 Nov 2011, 19:10

YES! Now life will become better over in the Mandriva forum. :cheers
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Re: Mandriva

Postby R_Head » 18 Nov 2011, 19:42

What caught me was the name Scalpo, he is one of the Elders +1

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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 23 Nov 2011, 17:35

Some news from blog.mandriva.com

Some news about Mandriva
Posted on November 23, 2011 by scalpo

Comming from http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic. ... 1&t=136549

by “AshLeDombos” November 18th, 2011, 2:03 pm

I bring you some news. English is not my natural language, so I apoligize in advance for my mistakes, and if I have wrote a weird or incomprehensible sentence, just tell me for correcting it.

A new COO, Jean-Manuel Croset recently joined Dominique Loucougain, CEO, at the head of Mandriva. I had the opportunity to meet and discuss with him. He is someone who is very open to conversation, talking directly and frankly, who gives the impression of knowing where he goes and what he wants, someone with a “breadth” of leadership. But, and I must confess that it is much less common, he also combines the knowledge of his subject, works for knowing Mandriva, its history, its employees and partners, and community. more-->

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 23 Nov 2011, 20:17

Yes that does give hope.
Normally I would be suspicious because messages like that from Site Admins and community members can be a smokescreen to cover up a fubared situation.
(Marketing :-D )
But in the case of Mandriva SA I do belive it. They have never been able to make themselves look better than they are before.
Also an audit is perfectly normal at this time of year, unless it is an internal audit from Rosa to make sure their money are well spent.
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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 27 Nov 2011, 01:45

Looks like a lot of people have problems with installing it though :think:
But then again I am not sure what is "normal" - it is a big community. I don't have PWP anymore so I cannot say.
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 27 Nov 2011, 02:00

I think I won't try to install 2011.0 PWP, unless I get very bored. As it is, I have figured out my workarounds to get what I have of the 2011.0 urpmi upgrade from 2010.2 to be comfortable.
The next release might bring some improvements for me, and the others, I hope, enough to justify going through the whole install gauntlet, once more! :C

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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 27 Nov 2011, 13:01

Yes sounds like a good strategy.
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