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Mandriva Powerpack for free?

Postby viking60 » 22 Sep 2011, 12:26

Hmm I wonder....
There is a lot of asking about a Powerpack 2011 over in the Mandriva forum and Julia the Russian Moderator is getting somewhat :berserk2 about it...... ( I love a woman with a temper)
(As the site admin over in the Norwegian Mandriva forum I get the question a lot too).
When asking for the PLF repos she gracefully gave me the links to add the "restricted" repos.
32bit

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urpmi.addmedia --update MDV-restricted_32 http://mirror.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2011.0/32/projects/restricted/

64bit

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urpmi.addmedia --update MDV-restricted_64 http://mirror.pianetalinux.org/MIB/2011.0/64/projects/restricted/

Now of course that is nothing the company can say out loud!
What should she answer?
Where is my PWP? :T I have got rights etc etc.....

She is probably wanting to say: "Shut up you babies you have already got it and you are to stupid to realize it"
That may be the case.
Is there any way to compare content of repos (codecs) and get this more or less confirmed?
Edit:
I just remember fluendo was the big thing in PWP and it is not present in 2011 with the restricted repos.....
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Re: Mandriva

Postby jkerr82508 » 22 Sep 2011, 12:57

What they are calling "restricted" is not the equivalent of the "restricted" repo on the PWP, which included e.g. fluendo DVD player, Skype, Flash-player and Adobe Reader as well as, IIRC, proprietary drivers for some network devices and other software that was subject to restricted distribution (hence the name of the repo). None of those seem to be present in the new "restricted" repo, which looks to me to be the equivalent of PLF.

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P.S. The PWP restricted repo was about licensing and not about codecs. The issue of codecs is one of patents, which may not be universally applicable. All FOSS advocates should abide by licence terms, otherwise why would we expect others to abide by the GPL?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gpl#The_GPL_in_court
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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 22 Sep 2011, 13:16

Since I have all that on my 2010.2 and since the upgrade does not work: I am forced to hold on to 2010.2 then.
Now I must figure out what to tell the eager people in the forum :think:
I guess I will have to hold Arnaud Laprévote to his word:
http://blog.mandriva.com/en/2010/09/20/ ... the-board/
Powerpack & Corporate desktop

Powerpack will come as usual with proprietary software and drivers with 18 months support and Corporate desktop will come with long term support (3 years). Next Powerpack and Corporate desktop version will come shortly after the community version.

Server

I sure wish he would specify "shortly" a bit though.....
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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 22 Sep 2011, 23:34

I see there is still the webpage for the Powerpack download zone when looking at Your services from the You tab/link at the forum. :berserk2 However, it just seems to contain the public isos. :confused I agree, once expectations have been created, it's necessary to fulfill them and/or keep everyone up-to-date about the realities. Nothing good comes from unfulfilled expectations, afaik. :(

OTOH, I remember a conversation with Denis Havlik at the first mandrakeforum.com, back in the last year of last millennium. I was using Mandrake for, essentially, all my computing needs; it was an integral part of my business and personal life. To me, this makes it one of the products I consume, something for which, in the case of all other products, I provide compensation from the larder of my vast, hard-earned wealth. I asked Denis whether some sort of electronic payment means could be established. He said, "That sounds like fun" and I'm sure something like that was already on his mind; I think the Club was his baby.

I did not agree with the original name of this portal for compensation, "Donations". When I pay for other goods and services, charity doesn't enter into the equation. However, there it was, better than nothing. Unfortunately, hordes of leechers, who were attracted to Linux primarily because they could get it for free and lord their l33t skilz over their luser friends, completely missed the value of FOSS, calling Mandrake beggars. Next, came the store and Powerpack, the idea you should get more for your money than merely a very capable distribution that is, nowadays, at the core of day-to-day life for many. It's too bad. I've said before the challenge is to create a working business model for FOSS but I believe unrealistic expectations have been created by the paths Mandrake/Mandriva have followed.

I think I can blame the dot.com bubble, a little. Gael Duval and his partners tried to distribute a fork of Red Hat and, afaict, they were inspired by the spirit of the genesis and rapid evolution of Linux, truly an internet phenomenon. From here, it looked like investment capitalists, interested only in ROI instead of the unique philosophy of the free operating system, flooded Linux with cash, and that was handled badly by developer-founders. From then on, the company has gone through crisis after crisis, management after management. I've learned not to expect so much from the management and, so far, have had a productive relationship with the distro. I continue to maintain a PowerPack subscription, recognizing it as a way to pay for the work that goes into the product, not so much interested in the symbolic goodies. 11 years ago, I was hoping to see the role of "compensation" or "monetary contribution" become the accepted way of looking at making modest cash infusions, many small increments to make a successful company.

In a way, capitalism poisoned Linux. Largely, the user-base consists of leechers hanging from the teats of angels like Shuttleworth, expecting the product for free, criticizing attempts to build a commercial model. The role of freedom seems to have been deprecated. As in love, there is only money. :boohoo:

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Re: Mandriva

Postby jkerr82508 » 23 Sep 2011, 00:01

High-speed Internet connections exacerbated Mandriva's problems. In the days of dial-up, buying a PWP made a lot of sense to people who did not want to tie up their only phone line for hours or even days. In those days I believe that PWP boxes were on display in many computer retail outlets, although I never did see one myself. I ordered my first PWP (v 8.1, I think) from an online store.

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Re: Mandriva

Postby R_Head » 23 Sep 2011, 21:53

Linux is Free of Licenses; Services provided to/for Linux is not.

In my mind the whole scheme of things is to produce a product that all can manipulate in the way you see it fit, without restrictions and charge for the services provided for maintaining the product.

Same concept is when you buy a car you can do whatever you please and pay someone to do maintenance on it. If you want a fancy radio, you either do it yourself or pay someone to do it.

That is how I see Linux.

I paid for my PWP for the reason that had all the good drivers and the Free version was a bit harder for me to set up with the generic stuff. So I paid for the extra good stuff. Nothing wrong with that.

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Re: Mandriva

Postby rolf » 23 Sep 2011, 22:59

Different perspectives. Coding and maintaining the free stuff is another service, can't be done by the consumers but is done by real people who need to eat and pay rent, too. The basic car doesn't come free. You can (still) get free beer Linux. Don't see any free beer cars....

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Re: Mandriva

Postby R_Head » 26 Sep 2011, 13:39

rolf wrote:The basic car doesn't come free.


Kind of does, but you know what you are getting into :lol:

What I mean is the car manufactures does not gives a dam whatever you do with the car. When it comes for warranty work yes, but that is another story.

Most companies does not care what you do with what you buy.

Just software companies do.

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Re: Mandriva

Postby dedanna1029 » 26 Sep 2011, 20:10

What's silly, is I paid for the Powerpack purely to support Mandriva itself for the years that I did. I never took any of the "goodies" that came from the powerpack repos; I'd find them elsewhere and install them just fine. Adobe, Fluendo (the Fluendo site has the rpms), etc., Skype (the static tarball works just fine for me from the site perfectly well on any distro), all of that. So, why are we whining? Either get the Powerpack or don't. If you don't, just go to the sites and get what you need; Powerpack doesn't give you anything that you can't get elsewhere aside from immediate installed access.
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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 26 Sep 2011, 21:40

Yes but that is exactly what the greenhorn needs. I am answering people about powerpack all the time, and many of them seem to think they have to buy it to get a real Linux. They simply do not understand the concept of free.
They have little understanding of how Linux works - and that is just fine. They can contribute with money and get the convenient solution.
Everything out of the box that just works. No CLI or repo talk just playing music, watching movies, writing letters, and attending facebook. That is just fine because we need lots and lots of them too in the Linux world. That is how they prefer it - Let's give it to them! Who are we to judge?
So be nice now :-D
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Re: Mandriva

Postby dedanna1029 » 27 Sep 2011, 21:46

Who, me? Nice? EVER??? For shame.
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Re: Mandriva

Postby viking60 » 03 Oct 2011, 22:22

There is a new script that might fix an online upgrade:
http://forum.mandriva.com/en/viewtopic. ... 51#p850615
Has anyone tried it?
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