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Chakra the "Arch" KDE out of the box solution

Postby viking60 » 26 May 2011, 00:01

I have had a look at Chakra before and found it to be very Alpha. But a long time has passed and things have happened.
Chakra is not a repo for Arch anymore - it is a full fledged distro based on Arch but going in another direction. There is a clear filisofy behind it too.
The want to deliver an effiecent KDE desktop, bleeding edge and fast! To achieve this they have divided KDE into modules so you can install what you need and drop those "zillion" games that you don't. :B That is a good idea and of course it will make chakra less bloated.
Further more they have a strict Apartheid between Gtk and QT. Anything coming from Gnome will "pollute" the system so they thought of a clever way of doing it. (Well you need Gtk applications like Gimp and Firefox etc.....).
They squash every file needed into a "bundle" and you can just klikk on Gimp or firefox on the Chakra webpage and run it. And that is it.
KDE is kept clean.
This is possible because a Bundle is a squashed filesystem, an ISO-like image with all the files needed to run your app. Pretty innovative and the tools that have been experimental for years are starting to work too. The package manager is nice and the search function is fast. Updates are done with the click of a button.
Yes the terminal and good old pacman is there and I can update with the CLI if I want to. But this is not the point with chakra. They are trying to make a user friendly KDE distro. And yes - with blistering fast Arch under the hood.
The GUI installer called Tribe, actually worked this time so I pointed and clicked may way through the partitioning, and set up my hardisk succesfully.
Every time I did something wrong I got a clear message.
So yes it has improved.
And the secret lies in the tools - that is what will make Chakra easy to use. The CInstall bundle manager works fine, and in the background - you don't even have to know what it is. Just click on the Gtk application you would like to install.

In fact newbies coming from windows will love this - just like Windows. It is not installed in the traditional way - it is kept apart on purpose but it is as fast as anything, so there is no sacrifice.
Also you get the tools to create your own live media, in the shape of LiveScripts2.

Chakra is going to be "Half rolling" but they do promise to have the KDE integrated a fortnight after it is released so it is going to be cutting edge anyway.

My install came with KDE 4.6.3 and looked nice - I liked it. And not all modules are installed by default you can use the package manger and install what you need. But it is very functional right out of the box.
My problem with KDE has always been that it is so heavy on resources - Chakra may have found the solution to this.
So who should use chakra?
Mandriva users, Mageia users, Kbuntu users and eventually even new Linux users. Although there is a lot of High tech stuff going on there is no big geek factor to Chakra; it is relatively user friendly good looking, and fast.

Given some more time this could become a major distro.
If I would switch to it?
No I don't think so I like the Arch way where I do the stuff myself and only have myself to blame. This is very different - and very interesting!
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Re: Chakra the "Arch" KDE out of the box solution

Postby viking60 » 22 Jan 2012, 17:13

So since this is interesting and has had time to mature; I had a look at my good ol' chakra installation again.
One thing that is always interesting with rolling and half-rolling releases, is the update. And I have not updated anything since the review above. Although Chakra has an intuitive GUI updater I went to the Konsole and typed

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sudo pacman -Syu
. And I did expect trouble since a lot has happened on the Arch side that Chakra is based upon.
And the first thing that is explained to me was that my pacman version was to old so I needed to skip the general update and upgrade pacman first.
Good info, and I am a good boy so I just answered "Yes" to wanting to do that - and pacman was upgraded.
So far so good :B
Now then it was time again do to a "half-roling" update - so I did another pacman -Syu.
This time I got the message that the local database version was to old and had the wrong version no. and a friendly tip of trying to run
pacman-db-upgrade so I did +1
It nicely detected the old database from before version 3.5 and upgraded it. So time to update the whole enchilada again then..
And it asked me to replace some files and resolve some conflicts and I just tried to answer Y to everything, resulting in further conflicts etc.
But I learned what to keep this way, and finally started the Upgrade.
Since I had not updated anything for 6 months - It was a lot:

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[thomas@chakra-pc ~]$ sudo pacman -Syu
:: Synkroniserer pakkedatabaser ...
 core                       51,4K  343,3K/s 00:00:00 [###########################] 100%
 platform                  182,1K  835,5K/s 00:00:00 [###########################] 100%
 desktop                    93,0K  969,7K/s 00:00:00 [###########################] 100%
 apps                      104,9K 1000,9K/s 00:00:00 [###########################] 100%
 games                      31,6K  827,8K/s 00:00:00 [###########################] 100%
:: Starter full systemoppgradering ...
advarsel: ccr: lokal (20100927-3) er nyere enn apps (4.0.1-1)
:: Bytt ut dbusmenu-qt-git med desktop/libdbusmenu-qt? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdeadmin-common med desktop/kdeadmin-strigi-analyzer? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebase med desktop/kde-baseapps? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebase-dolphin med desktop/kde-baseapps-dolphin? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebase-konqueror med desktop/kde-baseapps-konqueror? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebase-konsole med desktop/kde-baseapps-konsole? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebase-runtime med desktop/kde-runtime? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebase-workspace med desktop/kde-workspace? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebindings-common med desktop/kdebindings-smokekde? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdebindings-python med desktop/kdebindings-pykde4? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdeedu-common med desktop/kdeedu-libkdeedu? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdegraphics-common med desktop/kdegraphics-kgamma? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kdesdk-common med desktop/kdesdk-kioslave? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kernel26 med core/linux? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut kernel26-headers med core/linux-headers? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut libjpeg med platform/libjpeg-turbo? [J/n] j
advarsel: libqzeitgeist: lokal (20110327-1) er nyere enn platform (0.7.0-1)
:: Bytt ut networkmanagement med desktop/kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut util-linux-ng med core/util-linux? [J/n] j
:: Bytt ut vlc-plugin med platform/vlc? [J/n] j
avgjør avhengigheter ...
advarsel: avhengighetssyklus oppdaget
advarsel: qtwebkit vil bli installert før dens avhengighet qt
leter etter konflikter ...
advarsel: fjerner 'heimdal' fra mållisten fordi den strider mot 'krb5'
advarsel: fjerner 'ndiswrapper-utils' fra mållisten fordi den strider mot 'ndiswrapper'
:: konflikt mellom krb5 og heimdal. Fjerne heimdal? [j/N] j
:: konflikt mellom kdeutils-ark og kdeutils-common. Fjerne kdeutils-common? [j/N] j
:: konflikt mellom ndiswrapper og ndiswrapper-utils. Fjerne ndiswrapper-utils? [j/N] j

Fjern (22): util-linux-ng-2.19-1  kernel26-  kernel26-headers-
            libjpeg-8.0.2-1  heimdal-1.3.3-1  dbusmenu-qt-git-20101019-2
            kdebase-runtime-4.6.3-1  kdebase-konsole-4.6.3-1
            kdebase-workspace-4.6.3-1  kdeadmin-common-4.6.3-1  kdebase-4.6.3-1
            kdebase-dolphin-4.6.3-1  kdebase-konqueror-4.6.3-1
            kdebindings-common-4.6.3-1  kdebindings-python-4.6.3-1
            kdeedu-common-4.6.3-2  kdegraphics-common-4.6.3-1  kdesdk-common-4.6.3-1
            kdeutils-common-4.6.3-1  ndiswrapper-utils-1.56-2
            networkmanagement-20110304-1  vlc-plugin-1.1.9-1

Total Fjernet Mengde:         351,25 MB

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           mailx-8.1.1-8  make-3.81-6  libpipeline-1.2.0-2  man-db-
           man-pages-3.32-2  mdadm-3.2.1-4  mga-dri-7.11.2-1
           mkinitcpio-nfs-utils-0.2-2  mlocate-0.24-2
           mobile-broadband-provider-info-20110511-1  ppp-2.4.5-2  modemmanager-0.5-1
           mtools-4.0.17-1  nano-2.2.6-2  ndiswrapper-1.56-18  netcfg-2.6.6-1
           net-tools-1.60-15  wpa_supplicant-0.7.3-3  networkmanager-
           kdeplasma-applets-networkmanagement-0.8.95-1  openobex-1.5-3  opera-11.60-1
           os-prober-1.49-1  pacman-mirrorlist-20111006-1  partitionmanager-1257912-1
           patch-2.6.1-2  pcmciautils-018-1  xine-lib-1.1.19-7
           phonon-backend-xine-4.4.4-4  pkgconfig-0.25-2  pmtools-20110323-2
           postgresql-libs-9.0.4-2  psmisc-22.11-2  quassel-0.7.3-2  r128-dri-7.11.2-1
           reiserfsprogs-3.6.21-4  rekonq-0.8.1-1  rp-pppoe-3.10-6  ruby-1.9.2_p180-4
           savage-dri-7.11.2-1  sdl_image-1.2.10-3  sis-dri-7.11.2-1  sudo-1.8.2-1
           syslog-ng-3.2.4-2  tdfx-dri-7.11.2-1  tiacx-firmware-2-3  tiacx-20080210-30
           unichrome-dri-7.11.2-1  unrar-4.0.7-1  vi-050325-5  vim-runtime-7.3.138-3
           vim-7.3.138-3  libupnp-1.6.14-1  vlc-1.1.13-2  which-2.20-5
           wqy-zenhei-0.9.45-2  xf86-input-mouse-1.7.1-1  xf86-video-vesa-2.3.0-6
           xfsprogs-3.1.5-2  xinetd-2.3.14-6  xkeyboard-config-2.4.1-1
           xorg-util-macros-1.15.0-1  xorg-server-1.10.4-2  xorg-server-utils-7.6-3
           xorg-xinit-1.3.1-1  xulrunner-7.0.1-1  zd1211-firmware-1.4-6

Total Nedlastingsmengde:      507,96 MB
Total Installasjonsmengde:    2269,37 MB

Looked like that went well so I decided to reboot. After that I was offered the login prompt and logged in and was thrown right back to the login prompt again.
Nice little loop there so I'll be back when I have succeded in atually entering Chakra again... :-D

So I went into failsafe boot and removed kdm from the daemons in /etc/rc.conf and logged in and tried the good old startx.
But then it complained about Communication problem with kded + ++
I don't feel like debugging so I will just install KDE again like this:

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sudo pacman -S kde

Näh no luck there, and with my world famous patience I am now going to conclude:

Chakra is still interesting and getting good reviews. What I have done here was an update/upgrade of an old installation. With a result that will be a show stopper for a freshman.
And since Chakra is targeting those in need of a user friendly distro - I would say they flunked a bit here. It is probably easy to fix but that is beside the point.
It will not be easy to fix for that inexperienced Linux user and we who like to fix - we have Arch. In fact Arch will give you less surprises.
So Chakra is still interesting and the last Iso's will probably work well - I might have a look at them in 6 months...
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Re: Chakra the "Arch" KDE out of the box solution

Postby rolf » 22 Jan 2012, 18:24

Thanks for the intel! :s
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Re: Chakra the "Arch" KDE out of the box solution

Postby viking60 » 22 Jan 2012, 19:55

Yeah it is a good thing about Linux that we have options...
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