The Fedora 14 thread

[viking60]

If it works Fedora will find a way to brake it! Testing testing 1..2..3
So yes! Fedora might be perfect for you.
Arch is too stable and to fast. After my Arch reinstall it blows away my i7 computer with Mandriva speed-wise. Hdd's are perfectly fine here. And KDE 4.6.1 looks like a dream on it. Both Gnome and KDE are rock solid and stable on it. I use the Slim login manager. And I have done the superduper speed patch.
So yes again! Arch is boringly stable and perfect.
I am guessing you will miss the speed too in Fedora. And you will not be as cutting edge anymore. But it is a while since I tested it so I might be a bit prejudiced here
Fedora is probably the best regarding automatic hardware detection.

[dedanna1029]

Ah, but what I'm going to on the Fedora box, will be killing the boredom big time...

Arch does seem to have settled down some since I did some cron editing; I'm thinking updatedb running almost constantly from it is what was keeping the hard drive running. I've taken care of that, I think. I'm giving it another day or two to be sure. If it did cure the ill, then yes, Arch will be boringly stable once again, and a helluva lot faster.

[dedanna1029]

So, compared to Arch, Fedora 14 is still using a heckuva lot of root space. They both have 30 Gbs for root; Fedora is taking up just over half that much, and Arch is taking 9 Gbs of it.

I did some checking into it today. Guess what's taking up a heckuva lot of root space in Fedora:

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[root@dedanna dedanna]# du -akx / | sort -nr | head -n 30
16192740   /
9544884   /usr
6125720   /var
5981388   /usr/share
3482884   /var/spool
3482800   /var/spool/abrt
2507376   /usr/lib
2145028   /var/cache
1573432   /var/cache/abrt-di
1573428   /var/cache/abrt-di/usr
1573424   /var/cache/abrt-di/usr/lib
1573420   /var/cache/abrt-di/usr/lib/debug
1573416   /var/cache/abrt-di/usr/lib/debug/.build-id
782492   /usr/share/locale
712596   /usr/bin
565856   /usr/share/icons
423540   /usr/share/doc
404388   /usr/share/backgrounds
396792   /var/lib
374056   /var/cache/abrt-di/usr/lib/debug/.build-id/0c
367456   /var/cache/abrt-di/usr/lib/debug/.build-id/0c/c5f0c764f93c3debec06919d036278a8dc15d6.debug
339704   /usr/lib/python2.7
327240   /usr/lib/openoffice.org
312188   /usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages
291268   /usr/share/wesnoth
287744   /usr/share/wesnoth/data
283628   /usr/lib/openoffice.org/basis3.3
266132   /var/cache/yum
262528   /usr/share/texmf
250564   /var/lib/rpm

You got it - ABRT (/var/spool/abrt)

Granted there's a lot of backgrounds and stuff, but ABRT taking up as much root space as it does has me curious to say the least.

I wonder if Fedora can run without it, because really, I don't care too much about reporting to Fedora's bugzilla, and if I find something wrong myself, I don't need ABRT to tell me. I can report it myself by installing the debug package for whatever it is at the time. I know when a program's crashing, TYVM.

It does appear that it can be removed without too much hassle:

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Removing:
 abrt                                           i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                          1.3 M
Removing for dependencies:
 abrt-addon-ccpp                                i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                           46 k
 abrt-addon-kerneloops                          i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                           53 k
 abrt-addon-python                              i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                           19 k
 abrt-desktop                                   i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                          0.0 
 abrt-gui                                       i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                          485 k
 abrt-plugin-bugzilla                           i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                           59 k
 abrt-plugin-logger                             i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                           18 k
 abrt-plugin-runapp                             i686                          1.1.17-1.fc14                          @updates                          8.0 k

Transaction Summary
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Remove        9 Package(s)

Installed size: 2.0 M
Is this ok [y/N]:

Yeah, think I'll go for it, but I really don't know if that will get rid of what's being used in root of it. We'll see after I'm done.

WELL... after having removed ABRT, it appears that it doesn't remove its remnants of what it's done. I still have the exact same thing for du -akx / | sort -nr | head -n 30.

I wonder if I can remove those ABRT things in /var/cache and /var/spool manually? I could conceivably move them to my /home folder if it won't harm my system not to have them there in root, which is now what I've done, which freed up a whopping 2.1Gbs in root.

Now, for the next big one, that would be /usr/share/locale. I'm wondering why on earth, Fedora devels would think I need all of these locales, which take up another 717Mbs of root space:



The problem being, I don't remember what package they're in.

[jkerr82508]

Most of those "locales" are empty directories, created by the filesystem package:

# rpm -qf /usr/share/locale/aa
filesystem-2.4.35-1.fc14.i686

The contents of the populated directories seem to come from different packages, for example:

# rpm -qf /usr/share/locale/fr/LC_MESSAGES/PackageKit.mo
PackageKit-0.6.12-2.fc14.i686

It seems that the localisations of many applications are packaged in the base package and not in a separate localisation package. As a result, the size of /usr/share/locale is dependant on the number of applications that you have installed. On my box it is less than half a gigabyte.

Jim

[dedanna1029]

Thanks a bunch, Jim. Looks like I have some uninstalling to do - things I don't use anyway.

[dedanna1029]

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$ uptime
 16:34:31 up 9 days, 22:31,  2 users,  load average: 0.15, 0.31, 0.34

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$ df -h
Filesystem            Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/sdb1              32G   15G   16G  49% /
tmpfs                 501M  2.9M  498M   1% /dev/shm
/dev/sdb3             155G   89G   59G  61% /home

Yes, Arch can wait 'til I get over being ticked at them. Period. Don't bother telling me "get over it".

[viking60]

I would not dream of taking away your "pleasure with discontent". I think Fedora is a good No1 distro for you. And there is a lo of effort put into it so it is a driving force withing the Linux area.

[dedanna1029]

The only single thing I'm ticked at Arch for is their implementation of Gnome3, and hosing notification-daemon. That's it. Other than that, I could hang with it forever.

No worries, I'll get over it eventually.

[viking60]

I cannot see that there is something wrong with the implementation of Gnome3 in Arch. It is pretty much the same as in Fedora.
Are you sure you are not criticizing Gnome3 here?
3d and compiz are gone in the Gnome3-shell on every distro. There has been the odd sound problem in Gnome3 (it needs pulseaudio).
I think Gnome3 itself needs a finishing polish regardless of the distro. And if you are looking for an alternative; Xfce has much of the old look and feel of Gnome. and Compiz and 3d "just works".

[dedanna1029]

Tried XFCE in Arch, remember? They never had added functions that I'd been requesting for YEARS. No, I'd rather have something lightweight. Then, I could 3d my ass off.

Yes, Gnome3 requires pulseaudio. Yes, Gnome3 itself has its own issues. But I can't forgive hosing sound. Ever. In any distro. At least, not in the near future. Further future, maybe.

As I said, I'll get over it eventually. When they fix it, and stop having their little "we're doing nothing wrong and it's up to you to fix anything that's screwed up" mentality about it.

It's something I KNOW they hosed, it's NOT an AUR thing, and they're not fixing it across the board; in fact, they deny the issue with it, even when people have backed me up on it.

If nothing else, I haz sound in Fedora, so when I do upgrade to 15 (which I won't do until 14 has its EOL), I KNOW it will still be there when Gnome3 does come along (unlike I could do with Arch).

[dedanna1029]

Interesting updates in F14 right now.

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# yum update
Loaded plugins: auto-update-debuginfo, fastestmirror, presto, refresh-packagekit
Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
 * fedora: fedora.mirrors.pair.com
 * rpmfusion-free: mirror.web-ster.com
 * rpmfusion-free-updates: mirror.web-ster.com
 * rpmfusion-nonfree: mirror.web-ster.com
 * rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: mirror.web-ster.com
 * updates: mirror.unl.edu
Setting up Update Process
Resolving Dependencies
--> Running transaction check
---> Package device-mapper.i686 0:1.02.63-2.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package device-mapper-event.i686 0:1.02.63-2.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package device-mapper-event-libs.i686 0:1.02.63-2.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package device-mapper-libs.i686 0:1.02.63-2.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package flash-plugin.i386 0:10.3.181.22-release set to be updated
---> Package gimp.i686 2:2.6.11-14.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package gimp-help-browser.i686 2:2.6.11-14.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package gimp-libs.i686 2:2.6.11-14.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package google-chrome-stable.i386 0:12.0.742.91-87961 set to be updated
---> Package lvm2.i686 0:2.02.84-2.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package lvm2-libs.i686 0:2.02.84-2.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package microcode_ctl.i686 1:1.17-9.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package rdesktop.i686 0:1.6.0-11.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package rosegarden4.i686 0:11.06-1.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package rosegarden4-feta-fonts.noarch 0:11.06-1.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package rosegarden4-parmesan-fonts.noarch 0:11.06-1.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package sssd.i686 0:1.5.8-1.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package sssd-client.i686 0:1.5.8-1.fc14 set to be updated
---> Package tor.i686 0:0.2.1.30-1400.fc14 set to be updated
--> Processing Dependency: tor-core = 0.2.1.30-1400.fc14 for package: tor-0.2.1.30-1400.fc14.i686
--> Processing Dependency: tor-lsb = 0.2.1.30-1400.fc14 for package: tor-0.2.1.30-1400.fc14.i686
--> Running transaction check
---> Package tor-core.i686 0:0.2.1.30-1400.fc14 set to be installed
---> Package tor-lsb.noarch 0:0.2.1.30-1400.fc14 set to be installed
--> Finished Dependency Resolution

Dependencies Resolved

=============================================================================================================================================================
 Package                                       Arch                      Version                                   Repository                           Size
=============================================================================================================================================================
Updating:
 device-mapper                                 i686                      1.02.63-2.fc14                            updates                             136 k
 device-mapper-event                           i686                      1.02.63-2.fc14                            updates                              95 k
 device-mapper-event-libs                      i686                      1.02.63-2.fc14                            updates                              90 k
 device-mapper-libs                            i686                      1.02.63-2.fc14                            updates                             144 k
 flash-plugin                                  i386                      10.3.181.22-release                       adobe-linux-i386                    5.2 M
 gimp                                          i686                      2:2.6.11-14.fc14                          updates                              12 M
 gimp-help-browser                             i686                      2:2.6.11-14.fc14                          updates                              73 k
 gimp-libs                                     i686                      2:2.6.11-14.fc14                          updates                             576 k
 google-chrome-stable                          i386                      12.0.742.91-87961                         google-chrome                        31 M
 lvm2                                          i686                      2.02.84-2.fc14                            updates                             554 k
 lvm2-libs                                     i686                      2.02.84-2.fc14                            updates                             613 k
 microcode_ctl                                 i686                      1:1.17-9.fc14                             updates                             418 k
 rdesktop                                      i686                      1.6.0-11.fc14                             updates                             144 k
 rosegarden4                                   i686                      11.06-1.fc14                              updates                             6.6 M
 rosegarden4-feta-fonts                        noarch                    11.06-1.fc14                              updates                              65 k
 rosegarden4-parmesan-fonts                    noarch                    11.06-1.fc14                              updates                              59 k
 sssd                                          i686                      1.5.8-1.fc14                              updates                             869 k
 sssd-client                                   i686                      1.5.8-1.fc14                              updates                              64 k

Now, here's the interesting part:

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tor                                           i686                      0.2.1.30-1400.fc14                        updates                              14 k
Installing for dependencies:
 tor-core                                      i686                      0.2.1.30-1400.fc14                        updates                             1.3 M
 tor-lsb                                       noarch                    0.2.1.30-1400.fc14                        updates                              15 k

Note that I have the tor repo installed... yet the update for tor didn't come from that. It came from the updates repo...