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Reform for Linux

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 02:06
by iceycooler9
Here is the .pdf i made (i can't find how to make attachments in this forum) so here is a link

Please comment

Re: Reform for Linux

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 02:25
by viking60
Ok you have some prepared thoughts there:
Bloat is not necessarily a problem. It is the GUI Windows approach that people want. This will not get better as Linux grows. It makes life easier.
Also the purists among die hard Linux geeks can strip down their Linux too almost nothing - as Linus Torvalds put it:

"One thing that I forgot to mention, but which is critical to the success of Linux, is that there really is no such thing as monolithic "Linux." Linux is highly modular and can be trimmed down/beefed up to fit a wide variety of applications...on the developers' terms, not Red Hat's, Novell's, Canonical's, etc.

So, unlike Windows, which can only be what Microsoft dictates, Linux can truly be all things to all people, as "fat" or as "skinny" as the developer wants it to be. Ubuntu is obese compared to sub-100 KB uClinux distributions, for example. Both serve different, and useful, purposes.

Re: Reform for Linux

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 02:45
by iceycooler9
ya the kernel is pretty small, but im not specifically talking about the kernel, i am talking about in general (like the distros, desktop environment, GUI tools, media players.)

i don't think more GUI automatically equals more bloat either, i mean look at Vista and 7, Windows 7 has more GUI tools and new features, but its actually pretty fast compared to Vista (the fat man who can't catch up even if a Twinkie was in front of it). Reason? Compare the registry, optimization, file system improvements, background tasks, and all those things of Vista and 7 and you will find out why.

Re: Reform for Linux

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 03:03
by dedanna1029
Moving to Open Source. This should turn out to be a pretty good Linux discussion in general.

Re: Reform for Linux

Posted: 22 Mar 2010, 03:31
by dedanna1029
Out of the mouths of babes. :)

Linux has become an OS of not such great reputation; the devels argue with the users, the users and devels all argue against each other, and sometimes it's over one single trivial package, that probably should be included with another group of packages, or should be dropped altogether. If the packages that are similar to what one wants to do, then they should be dropped, and their features be requested to be added to the main package that's already there, IMHO. There is no standardization in Linux, this is true. Sometimes "Open Source" can mean that we over-run ourselves with crap. There's too much choice (know how it feels when you're wading through just the ingredients list for something you're considering buying? Or being in a restaurant that has 100 burgers; which one do you want?), and I've seen it get to the ridiculous point, for sure.

We should all be fighting for Linux, not against each other with it.

Re: Reform for Linux

Posted: 23 Mar 2010, 22:22
by viking60
I want the biggest one! The Big Burger?
And amen to fighting for Linux +1 Ubuntu Suse Mandriva Arch Fedora Gentoo we are all one big family.

Re: Reform for Linux

Posted: 25 Mar 2010, 01:46
by b1o
well bloated code isn't realy a problem in GNU/LINUX since you can change everything to what YOU need.
you can install it with just the kernel, wont serve you any good but you can, and that kernel you can strip down again to do even less. The point is a distro is not the same as gnu/linux as you can make your own Distros for gnu/linux.

we should also try to call it GNU/LINUX in the future as linux is just the last piece of the pussle of the entire system. G(nu)N(ot)U(nix) is the system linux is the kernel