I always get dragged into these Amarok discussions. That is very unfortunate because I have no clue what it is all about. But there are some main views:
The conservatives:
"Everything was better before in the good old days - the new Amarok sux."
So silly question:
Why not pick another software?
And then there is.... eh well that was it really! Anyway there is a new beta out now and..... eh I don't have a clue. Sound freaks enlighten me I need something smart to say the next time I get dragged into this discussion!
This Amarok thing
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This Amarok thing
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Re: This Amarok thing
I have tried Amarok2 many many times, and it never even makes it through importing my library without crashing. I also think it's ugly as sin on top of it, and not very intuitive.
In its place, I install Clementine player on distros that don't have Amarok1 - Arch has Amarok1, so I use it in it, with postgresql to hold my music db - it just works. In Fedora, I use Clementine, and in other distros I've tried too. I've even contributed to bug-zapping for Clementine - it doesn't have every single feature that Amarok1 had, but it's good enough and has more than enough of those features to use.
There has never been something that just plain works, and is intuitive in functionality, as Amarok 1.4.xx, and unfortunately, never will be again. The distros that abandoned it have taken away their user's choice to see for themselves the comparison. Choice is always a good thing, I don't care how you spin it or not. It just is. The choice of mysql-only for the music db was also a bad move; we've seen what's happened with mysql over the last months. Had they given the choice to use it or postgresql, or any number of other db methods, that would've been one thing, but they didn't.
With that having been said, I do not wish to go back to KDE3 at this time like I used to. I may like to play with it once in a rare while for nostalgia's sake, but I would not want to use it forever. Everything evolves. The problem with Amarok2, is that it evolved into something it shouldn't have, and they need to do a serious overhaul on it in more ways than one. I know many others who it's the same for me as - it does not work, it does not look good, and is not functional, all three. That should say something for it, although, we do hope with each Amarok2 update that this will change. Still, it never has. I always, without fail, end up uninstalling it again because it can't even import my music db, much less do anything else for me.
In its place, I install Clementine player on distros that don't have Amarok1 - Arch has Amarok1, so I use it in it, with postgresql to hold my music db - it just works. In Fedora, I use Clementine, and in other distros I've tried too. I've even contributed to bug-zapping for Clementine - it doesn't have every single feature that Amarok1 had, but it's good enough and has more than enough of those features to use.
There has never been something that just plain works, and is intuitive in functionality, as Amarok 1.4.xx, and unfortunately, never will be again. The distros that abandoned it have taken away their user's choice to see for themselves the comparison. Choice is always a good thing, I don't care how you spin it or not. It just is. The choice of mysql-only for the music db was also a bad move; we've seen what's happened with mysql over the last months. Had they given the choice to use it or postgresql, or any number of other db methods, that would've been one thing, but they didn't.
With that having been said, I do not wish to go back to KDE3 at this time like I used to. I may like to play with it once in a rare while for nostalgia's sake, but I would not want to use it forever. Everything evolves. The problem with Amarok2, is that it evolved into something it shouldn't have, and they need to do a serious overhaul on it in more ways than one. I know many others who it's the same for me as - it does not work, it does not look good, and is not functional, all three. That should say something for it, although, we do hope with each Amarok2 update that this will change. Still, it never has. I always, without fail, end up uninstalling it again because it can't even import my music db, much less do anything else for me.
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Re: This Amarok thing
OK thanks for confusing me on a higher level. I just installed Amarok 2.3.90 in Mandriva (Yes I have installed KDE 4.4.5 to I'll write that one up in the distrotalk section). Then I created the amarokdb database with phpmyadmin and restarted amarok. The database is nicely populated and I am now listening to "Everybody must get stoned" by Robert Zimmermann.
That thing is not so bad?
That thing is not so bad?
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The phpmyadmin may have made the difference. The thing is, most are not going to use it for their music db, but rather use the now-native mysql. You may have just gotten lucky using it.
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Re: This Amarok thing
What happens if you get unlucky? Does it not play? Edit sorry I saw your problem importing music db's above. I just created amarokdb and told Amarok to use external database and provided my connection info (of course not the standard Amarok suggestion) and restarted amarok. I really am in control of the database
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Yes, you used phpadmin though for the database, which is something that most "regular" users wouldn't do. Most accept the default, which is mysql. Hence, point above.
I don't use mysql for anything any more, btw. It's much more difficult to use, IMO, than postgresql. Never could get it completely sorted out.
I don't use mysql for anything any more, btw. It's much more difficult to use, IMO, than postgresql. Never could get it completely sorted out.
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You could install the LAMP server and after that it is easy. I think we have some instructions here that might help (I can help further). But you are right most people use the default.
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I just don't see it as ever really taking off for a good while. I know some who have told me it works for them, but it just doesn't have even yet, after all this time, what I need and want in a player. For as many as I've had tell me it works for them, I have just as many who say it doesn't. Therein lies the problem. For some it works, for others not. If it would "just work" as it should for everyone, not be ugly as sin, and have the features that it should have, that would be one thing, y'know?
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maybe they need to keep the old version sure its kinda old but if it works do u really new a new one? besides for bug fixes make it updated but yet the same with out redoing the code ? is that possible? I'm sorry if I'm not making sense
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Amarok 2 happened when KDE4 happened, Matt. It's been a good while now. And when it did happen, all support was dropped for Amarok 1.4.10. I'm just lucky to be running Arch Linux, just about the only distro left that has it, and they have it in their alternate AUR repos.
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