Mandriva

[viking60]

http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ma ... vel/316778
Looks like the Mandriva build system is at its death bed and that ROSA ABF will be used in the future. This is also what Unity has decided to do.
Now ROSA is a well functioning (Mandriva) distro where our italian friends from MiB also have chipped in heavily. I will be looking forward to Per Øyvinds comments on how Mandriva will develop in a somewhat different direction than ROSA.
It can hardly be the point to do all this hard work only to finally reach a level where Mandriva is an exact copy of ROSA. Then it would make more sense to simply chip in on the ROSA distro.
Mandriva as a trademark and company looks great. The Enterprise products are just what people need. And no one will trust that these products are supported or that even Mandriva will be there tomorrow.
Sadly this overshadows the great products.
In Spain there are massive migrations to Linux and it is all Debian. In Russia I am uncertain how ROSA is doing, but I think they have a chance.
But even this is not so certain anymore; here is a somewhat bitter comment from a person who seems involved in Russian software platforms. The Blog has errors so I am not sure how trustworthy it is. The accusations about corruptions mostly tend to be true in Russia though. And ROSA and PingWin software seem to be partners as the blog states.
It might well be the case that Putin used Windows piracy as an excuse for raiding the opposition (In Russia you can always find a pirated Windows - so you can choose and pick).
And that could be all there is to it.
Still it also makes sense that Putin does not want to trust his nuclear weapons or state secrets to American closed software
What Mandriva is going to be, is still a mystery - but it might just be me that has been sleeping in class...
It sounds right to move to the ROSA build system though.

[viking60]

After a reboot of the underdog, the splash screen is working fine, there is progress.

[rolf]

DarkDuck might be mostly correct but I am not so sure of the problem he has with "French developers", since ROSA is very decidedly manned by Russian devels and his example of the Russian ALT Linux for a better choice was, at first, Mandrake.

To speak of what Mandriva will become is a bit confusing, as Mandriva will continue as a commercial identity while giving some support to what is to be an almost entirely independent, yet-to-be-named, community-based distribution, now being birthed by the Foundation.

[viking60]

Yupp the new organisation is Per Øyvind Foundation Karlsen. It is a bit over the top to make big organisation Models when there only is one or two to organize. That is a French thing - they just love their bureaucrats, and would never dream of scratching their head with their fingers if it is at all, possible to do it with the toes....

That is why they eat frogs while we have a chicken too....
I am as confused as you are

[viking60]

Mandriva is rapidly becoming the trademark without a product. The comunity groups are not producig anything visible exept a lot of rules and regulations that we all have to follow according to french law (I guess that goes for all three of us )
Moderators are speaking of the ROSA distro as a good alternative - and that is true. But that leaves the logical qustion if we should move to this forum
So the final regulation will probably be who should turn off the light in the Mandriva forum (over more than three pages - I am sure).

What exactly is left of Mandriva......??

After the latest cooker hickups I doubt that there will be a continuation of the Mandriva distro - It will be the ROSA distro and Mandriva will be something for old geezers to mention when they talk about the good ol' days - like Ygdrasil - the verry first Linux distro.

So I am looking forward to telling my grandchildren about the good ol days with Mandriva (besides the stories of walking 20 miles for milk every day.... bare footed....in 1 meter of snow ..etc)

Maybe it is time to turn of the respirator now? How likely is it that the patient will awaken after a coma this long...?
And does it really matter?

Both ROSA and Mageia are good (Mandriva)distros....Who cares about the name?

[rolf]

I read the cooker ml, which doesn't take a lot of time. Nicolas Pomerade is doing a very good job of reporting problems and catching some bugs but it's pretty much a ghost town, atm.

I don't follow Mandriva forum so much but, on the Document Foundation list, I see Charles Schulz and some other purposeful people moving slowly forward with the transition of Mandriva Community completely out from the auspices of the Mandriva company. So, I think there will be a new forum with a new name on different servers. Maybe, the current forum will be migrated but it will take some time before this from-the-ground-up, largely unfunded process can provide machines, personnel, websites, and an orderly structure for cooker or forum, afaict.

Mandriva, the trademark, belongs to the company and it is still working on its industry products, partnerships, who knows all what sorts of dealings. http://www.mandriva.com/en/ Mandriva, the community, is leaving home, will be taking on some new, yet undecided name. There has been some description of Mandriva, the company, providing some help and I think Charles Schulz might be getting paid from Mandriva to lead the community. But I see this as a largely hands-off relationship, cutting the apron strings, for the most part.

[jkerr82508]

The dev's, with a couple of exceptions, seem to have abandoned the cooker ML. In the past, major upgrades, like the xorg upgrade that is currently under-way, would have been announced in the cooker ML. I'm not sure where discussions among the dev's now take place, perhaps exclusively on IRC. I'm sure there used to be a restricted maintainers list, but it doesn't seem to even appear on the "list of lists" any longer.

The foundation mailing list has 89 subscribers, but the vast majority seem to be, like me, just lurking. The number of people who are helping or have even offered to help is very small. I don't think that it's time to "turn off the lights" just yet, but the longer it takes to get the foundation up and running the more difficult it is going to be for the distro, whatever it is called, to establish itself as a credible successor to Mandriva.

Jim

[R_Head]

In the way the crap is going I might be testing Debian soon.

Sad to say, once the best and kick ass distro that just plain worked is going down the tubes because of piss poor management.

So the bottom line is, no more Powerpack and all will be based on some foundation, right?

[viking60]

Pretty much correct.
ROSA is OK and works as it should - so you can pick that instead. And what the Powerpack provided can be had anyway with a little more work.
Debian is OK but do not expect the newest Firefox. It will run and run forever without a problem though...

[R_Head]

I tried Mageia but my USB TV does not work and I could not get the Wireless Card to work.

My opinion is the Kernel used is the one for Servers (Dual 64 Bits Xeons) and does not have modules for it.

As is right now; the only OS that seems to work really good is Mandriva 2010.2 on 32 bits Kernel.

[viking60]

If you are refering to MythTV then there is a version in the updates/testing repo of Mageia thwt should work.
https://forums.mageia.org/en/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3627
Have you tried ROSA?

[R_Head]

Nope, did not tried ROSA.

The computer is heavily used by the wife and down time is not allowed