OpenMandriva

[jkerr82508]

How on earth did we ever fill 21 pages with discussions about a linux distro that doesn't exist yet? I'm not a masochist and so won't read back to see.

Jim

[viking60]

How on earth did we ever fill 21 pages with discussions about a linux distro that doesn't exist yet? I'm not a masochist and so won't read back to see.

Jim

Beats me! It is actually called Marketing I think; keep the interest up and talk about non existing stuff. Microsoft does it all the time - Mandriva has never done it before...

But the Openbox version does exist here - and is actually working better than with Mageia (If you leave cairo-dock out of it). The package requests are also solved faster than with Mageia.
The bugsquad may be overworked but they could have solved several bugs by fixing this one:
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10061

People are reporting openbox bugs because the default menu is not representing all of their system. That is normal for openbox. Then it is time to generate a representing menu....

But I guess this is a bit too long. We need to start more threads with specific content. Everybody should feel free to do so.

[proyvind]

I prefer to think that it's like I said above. Those distros are peaceful, because they WORK, they EXIST at the very least, are ESTABLISHED (and have stayed that way) and are very ALIVE. It's quite obvious that they've done something right - their drama is internal, and stays that way, and does not get in the way of their distros being released. I'm not one to see anything boring in that. I'm one to prefer the peace of being able to ask a question about a distro, and have an intelligent answer and conversation about it (and I have). I've found absolutely NO peace in Mandriva or OpenMandriva EVER, and I prefer peace and no drama. I don't need to have a "fire" about something that has the history Mandriva/OpenMandriva has. I lost that for it ages ago. The drama alone ran me off of it, and I'm having much more fun figuring out how other distros work; what's similar and what isn't to what I've done before; again, nothing at all boring in that. I've remained, since MDV, a loner in the Linux world in a way, and prefer it that way - my experience with Mandriva/OpenMandriva was just that awful with people's attitudes, their power plays, and their resulting drama. It has made me a loner.

The point is, I should have known how this crap would turn out, and didn't see it coming anyway (well, actually, I did, but then was stupid enough to go back for more). For that, I will always have a severe guilt on my conscience.

I'm glad not to be any longer, a part of all this damn drama. I was perfectly ready to leave Mandriva when I did (January 2010), and was more than glad to leave it well behind. Drumming up this thread, I just drummed up the crap I hated about it in the first place. It's no different now than it ever was. Still the drama, and somehow people actually get off on it. It's stupid. It's a damn Linux distribution for chrissakes (just a fricking object, when it comes down to it). It's not our lives, other than for those who get paid to do it and put up with it, and who literally put in their sweat and blood to it. It's totally idiotic how it's all happened, and it's not any different now. People who think that all this drama and fighting over an effing Linux distro is great and good and wonderful need to get a grip. Prove me wrong. Stop this drama crap. I dare you.

So, now that I've learned it honestly isn't worth five minutes of my time (and neither are the people's fights), I can leave it behind (maybe) once again.

Heh, can't really say that I blame you in any way, personally I find everything related to OpenMandriva and recent events so incredibly awkward, that I'm still wondering how to explain in public the current situation, cause of my departure etc. as despite all the crap and repeatedly & completely unacceptable and absurd stuff that's gone down lately without adding to their damage caused..

My biggest challenge will be how to write about these things in a sane & professional way, while trying to avoid the risk of adding more fuel on the fire and the not exactly surprising risk of yet another implosion as a result, as I really don't wanna (be the one to) deal the final death blow to the project that I've invested so much in...

Lots of feelings, thoughts, aggitation, frustration, politics and what not running through my head on this matter..

This is kinda some of the things holding back the Moondrake beta, as together with the announcement of, there's gonna be a lot of confusion and mess that I feel it necessary to explain and try summarize on my blog at least, especially considering the slanderous & ignorant OpenMandriva blog post at http://openmandriva.org/en/2013/04/we-a ... community/ which I feel like that I need to answer.



However, I still intend to finish & deliver the release started on almost two years ago now as Moondrake GNU/Linux, then I don't really know what next to expect related to the project(s) nor for what any further personal involvement of mine is concerned...
If continued, Moondrake will exist as an independent project (although not a full blown fork) immune to the meddling from the association, so I can at least tell you that I intend to at best try to prevent it getting infested with all this drama and politics again, and if necessary having to act as an actual dictator (in contrast to the dictator I've been accused of) to do so.
Free Software is surely not equivalent to democracy, which is what these people behind this joke of an association still keeps failing to comprehend and that makes it destined for failure as currently stands.
They'll get to experience and discover this for themself eventually, the question then will be whether it's already too late or not.


I can't really tell you when to expect a final release, as I do intend to release it ~simutaneously with the OpenMandriva release in order for it to be supported with the same updates without duplication of efforts, but at their current pace and all, I don't see it as unlikely for there to be several RCs of a distro already ready to be released..
The upside to this is that the Moondrake release will likely have quite an amount of additional time to become quite well polished by then at least.
It'll all depend on my motivation (which feels rather bipolar at the moment) and available time though...

[rolf]

these people behind this joke of an association

No one person was ever going to do it alone. You have done as much as one person can do to sabotage the hard work of others but I say, again, that work was necessary, is necessary, and is deserving of more respect than is forthcoming from the ignorant, the irresponsible, and the self-absorbed. Grow up.

[dedanna1029]

And you all, from each side of the coin, with your continuing blame games and power trips have just proved me right.

You were calling who the drama queen? You need to stop it, thou hypocrits.

[dedanna1029]

How about everyone stop fighting long enough to build an actual distro that even I would be mildly interested in?

FYI: I want Gnome 2.32 to run alongside Gnome 3.

Get on it. Stop being like the libs and repubs here in the states and get something done.

[viking60]

Peace is boring. The important thing is too want to accomplish something. (Free after Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson).
Gael Duval made a good point here:

And maybe also talk less, code more

Puny translation of Bjørnstjerne Bjørnsons poem here:

Choice

April for me I choose!
In it the old things tumble,
In it things new refresh us;
It makes a mighty rumble,-
But peace is not so precious
As that his will man shows.

April for me I choose,
Because it storms and scourges,
Because it smiles and blesses,
Because its power purges,
Because it strength possesses,-

In it the summer grows.
Bjørnstjerne Bjørnson

[dedanna1029]

What do you think my last post was all about.

Eat.
Sleep.
Code.

Jim's right, btw, once again.

[dedanna1029]

BTW, April is over-rated, and we're now in May.

Talking less = fighting less. Getting more done.

[viking60]

Yeah and if the shit hits the fan: I have found a new distro that we can support:

Don't laugh - Hanna Montana Linux actually does exist
But then again if Hanna Montana can do it - I guess OMA can manage it too...

[Blackcrack]

roflmao...

best
Blacky

[ashledombos]

Mmh, personnally I don't see disputes or fights now that most people that like to fight are not in the ground (or mostly not)

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