Arch Linux

[dedanna1029]

Wow. *ahem* Well... *cough cough* I can certainly see what you mean there, Boss.

Updated in init 3, then rebooted - came up to a string of errors long as my arm that were nothing but greek. Hard rebooted, went into Fedora, still couldn't get into it. Tried forever, updated it in init 3, the works, it still wouldn't work, not even with the nv driver, so f* 'em.

Then it hit me, try Arch in Fallback, and see what happens - good thing I thought of that, 'cause here I am. It's the main kernel that's hosed. I have no clue what the diff is between the main kernel and fallback, but at least fallback's allowing me to function right now.

Hope there's a kernel update soon to fix this crap.

[dedanna1029]

Aaaaaaaahhh, I had a feeling... here's our problem...

You can mess up the kernel image with mkinitcpio.

I'd say they definitely have a whopper of a bug on their hands. It could be something as simple as just a typo character, but I don't think so this time.

That's one thing about Arch - they screw up very rarely, but when they do, they do it up right.

Also, see here, although I don't understand the majority of it - ABS (Automatic Build System, is that what it is)?

On This post, this is more what I'm experiencing now, as the main kernel fails every time on boot, yet Fallback works:

recently have had many complete freezes and asked if this could be related to this bug, and if the panic that is described in this post only occurs during boot. I have reverted to udev-164-3, but still experience them, so I wonder if the problem is with kernel 2.6.37 too.

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pacman -Q kernel26
kernel26 2.6.36.3-1

There's the latest kernel. I'm debating on rolling back the kernel and udev both at this point, but am going to wait and see what happens first for a day or two.

Also see here - this appears to be distro-wide, or at least on more than one.

I'm going to try this:

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pacman -U http://www.electron2k.com/udev165arch/udev-165-1-i686.pkg.tar.xz

I'm still not thinking it's a udev issue we're experiencing, but anything's worth a try I guess. *shrug*

Also, Boss, see Bug #22343 for your issue in part in the comments there:

I also get a similar error sometimes after udev updated to 165-1, when my USB hard drive attached to the system during boot. I have to disconnect my drive and reset to boot again.

This right here is exactly what I'm getting, to the tee, with the main kernel (the original attachment to the bug report). The interesting thing about this, is I updated udev to 165-1 way back on December 16th, and never had a single problem with it until the kernel update this evening - I really think it's a kernel issue.

[viking60]

Yes that looks like the error I had. Now I have no problem. So trying to install to an USB disk did obviously somehow fix it.
All of a sudden when trying to adjust grub I booted into my good old Arch. It has been stable ever since. I have done a few upgrades an it all works now. It probably is udev 165 related - thats all I can think of.
Anyway:
Good general Arch info here
(I moderated a bit to get more than one post per page above )

[dedanna1029]

For me, I'm still in fallback. Haven't brought the system down or rebooted just in case, but I'm here stable as a rock from Fallback. Every day I'm looking to see if there's a fix yet. It's been over 2 days now, so am thinking of rolling back udev, and seeing if that works, but I really haven't been in the mood. I'm also afraid if I do anyway, I might hose Fallback - it has for others. If I decide to do it, I think I'll downgrade the kernel, too, and put it in skip until there's a fix.

Boss, you moderated so much, you lost me the direct link to the bug. However, I'm not too - I could get to it from the attachment link above. Seems not much is moving on it, other than people reporting they have the bug. I wish they'd get on it. It appears to be an easy fix.

Direct link to bug #22343 - please don't remove. Thanks.

[viking60]

I have not moderated any link

[dedanna1029]

Dangit! All this, and still no fix?

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# powerpill -Syu
:: Synchronizing package databases...
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 extra                   462.0K  311.6K/s 00:00:01 [######################] 100%
 community               418.8K  284.2K/s 00:00:01 [######################] 100%
 archlinuxfr is up to date

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:: Number of Packages:              51
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:: Proceed with download? [Y/n] n

Guess it's time to downgrade, unless you think I can stay in Fallback forever and a day?

FYI, it's just like I thought - "Keep in mind that this is not a udev bug. It's a kernel bug that udev165 tickles." https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php ... 31#p878331

[viking60]

Nobody knows fore sure what this is yet so sit tight. The Kernel tickled by udev165 sounds plausible though. I have no problem after removing MyBook and after the install mentioned above.
Here is temporary fix:

[*]Hit "e" on the ArchLinux boot line
[*]Highlight the line that starts with "kernel" and hit "e" again
[*]at the end of the line make a space and write "edd=off" (without the quotes)
[*]Pres <ENTER>
[*]then pres "b"
The system will now boot

[dedanna1029]

Yeah, that's what I did, and it still no workie.

Edit: It appears we have another one where edd=off didn't work.

[dedanna1029]

Still no fix, gonna downgrade this thing, the kernel and udev both. Question, do I need to run mkinitcpio -p kernel26, or no, after I do? A reboot is assumed.

Thanks.

[dedanna1029]

Guess what? Tried something on the bug from the devel (Tobias Powalowski) there, and it worked.

Logged out, hit Ctl+Alt+F1
Logged into root

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init 3
udevadm info --convert-db
mkinitcpio -p kernel26

This is without usb external drives being hotplugged, and nothing in my dvd drive. Still have a few more reboots to go, to make absolute sure it's a keeper.

[viking60]

Looks like you are OK then Any tip that works is always welcome here.

[dedanna1029]

Well, the thing is, it does give a good workaround for until they officially apply some kind of patch.