Mandriva

[viking60]

Rosa has made a few new things on Mandriva. All the base is Mandriva - the rest is a matter of what they chose to call it.
They are pretty much the same. The difference is that the Russians probably are making money. Mandriva/Rosa as a commercial success and a community that can help and benefit from the development that is how it is supposed to be.
Still the main problem with 2011 is that I cannot transfer all my 2010 stuff....

[dedanna1029]

Aye, there is a lot said in that thread at their forum about 2011 not being up to snuff (and that's putting it mildly, from what I understand).

However, I do happen to know that one of our forum members has installed it to a laptop just fine with the exception that it was installed for someone on dialup, and 2011 didn't include the modem driver. This person is also going to give it a shot on their own system. On this, I will say no more, in the hope that this person will come in and speak about it for themselves.

So, who knows what the real concensus is on 2011?

I think we need to wait and see if Mandriva holds out, or continues on their very slow death spiral. I will say that proyvind spoke very eloquently in that thread, and sensibly. I like him; I think he has a very level head on his shoulders, and I'm hoping that he - if anyone does, will move up the ladder at Mandriva. If anyone can get them to listen to common sense, he can. I say this even after having debated with him on things at the forum and not agreed with him, and at the same time had other things both in and out of their forum that I highly respected and agreed with him on.

[dedanna1029]

Y'know, that's really not bad when the only thing wrong with an installation (to a laptop no less) is that the modem driver is missing.

OK, I'm done with this thread. For me, it's really all water under the bridge, and with or without the Russians or whomever else, nothing much honestly has changed with Mandriva. It's still the same ol' soap opera, with the same ol' recycled issues, just in maybe a bit different clothing. *sigh

[viking60]

It looks like the dynamics will be in the ROSA - MiB cooperation.

[rolf]

At LWN.net, the author of Whither Mandriva? comments about recent goings on at Mandriva and reports about what he thinks Per Øyvind Karlsen is standing for.
Per goes ballistic and has some interesting things to say about the genesis of Mageia that I have not seen, before.

[viking60]

Yes interesting.
Still the people sitting in different trenches and shooting at each other are the same.

[rolf]

It is easy to criticize Mandriva, fewer and fewer who will defend. Per has some fire and I hope he will lead the next resurrection, complete with new and improved rpm/urpmi.

[viking60]

Yeah Per is no diplomat (so I get along with him quite well ).
He is right but I don't know if this will make any difference. RPM5 is his baby and so far no distro has followed (I think) - that kind of isolates Mandriva.
Normally this could be a good thing since the Linux world needs "driving forces" like that - but a "driving force" without money is not worth much.

I am convinced that most Mandriva people will go back to Mandriva if the could change some repos and do an urpmi --auto-update without loosing any data.
As it is; this is to complicated. I cannot risk losing the content of my Virtualbox (Windows) and upgrading Virtualbox is rather impossible too (The Oracle unfree version).
Simple stuff like that is the difference between make and brake IMHO.

[rolf]

I see Mathew Dawkins on cooker ml, speaking of Unity Linux, which, I think, committed to rpm5 before cooker.

On Mar 3, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Matthew Dawkins wrote:
>
>> I hope this isn't taken in the wrong way. Ever since Mandriva has dedicated cooker to be based on rpm5, we have decided to merge our efforts back into mandriva. With much help from several people at mandriva, we were able to accomplish sub 100MB JEOS livecd isos. These are CLI only no X.
>>
>> More information found here:
>> http://unity-linux.org/unity-linux-2012 ... -released/

Looks like Unity forked from Mandriva, so that is not forming too much more of a consensus on rpm5, yet there is some mention of Yoper:

Unity and Yoper, a tale of two distros…
Posted by devnet on Feb 17, 2011 in Featured Articles, news, Planet | Comments Off

Unity Linux and Yoper Linux, two rpm5 distributions of yore (ok, maybe not of yore…but definitely of legend?) have begun a collaboration project that hopes to revolutionize the way both distributions are built, maintained, and developed. It’s ambitious. It’s edgy. Lady Gaga sings about it on her next album. Ok, so Lady Gaga may not be singing about it…BUT, we’ve started working on this project with aims to automate and assist packagers and developers in their task of maintaining distributions...

Wikipedia shows a little more in the way of adoption. Not a landslide but seems to me rpm5 is the future of rpm, if there will be a future.

RPM v5

The RPM maintainer since 1999, Jeff Johnson, continued development efforts together with participants from several other distributions. RPM version 5 was released in May 2007.

This version is used by distributions such as Unity Linux, Wind River Linux, and cAos Linux, and also by the OpenPKG project which provides packages for other common UNIX-platforms. Mandriva has currently switched to it for their development branch, with 2011.0 becoming its first release using it.[10] ArkLinux also announced intention to move to RPM5 for its next release.

[dedanna1029]

but seems to me rpm5 is the future of rpm, if there will be a future.

Interjecting to say only - agreed 100%.

[viking60]

Seems like the death rumors may be exaggerated:

The general assembly of the shareholders of Mandriva went well today.

Among others, a recapitalization has been approved and will be fulfilled in 10 days. The strategy review started two weeks ago will now actively be finalized and the corresponding decisions taken mid of May.

They even generously approved a recapitalization - I wonder how

[dedanna1029]

Oh, come on, that's what happened last time, and still they pulled the death card.