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The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 07 Mar 2014, 13:28
by viking60
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The Norwegian security police PST want keyloggers to fight terrorism.

The security risk from radicalized (Norwegian) Muslims fighting in Syria is the given reason.
There is clearly a danger, but PST fail to say why Norwegian Muslims should be worse than Muslims in other European countries.
Maybe all other European countries have it already?

The one thing that is for sure is that the security polices in any country will not stop in demanding new and improved technologies to improve surveillance.
It is equally certain that the terrorists will find ways to avoid them - so new technology must be made available etc...
The crooks avoid it; leaving innocent you and me victim of a massive surveillance.

The PST need to log the keystrokes for mails that are not sent but written on the local computer. This is dangerously close to what Pink Floyd refers to as "thoughts control" .
If you have any thoughts like that you better not express them or write them down - so much for freedom of expression. And how can we (democratically) fight and counter thoughts that cannot be expressed?

And really PST why stop there?
If you have all this wonderful potential you could log bad taxpayers and offenders of digital rights - in fact it would be discriminating to only log Muslims - you must log everybody to make it fair - right?

What we need is a thoughts police and a mind control department to evaluate citizens and punish thoughtcrimes.

In any case let us have a look at the technology behind this:
We can divide keyloggers in Hardware and Software loggers.

Software loggers like Blue pill are virtual machines living under the OS and phoning home.
Then we have the kernel-based loggers who can identify themselves as keyboard drivers etc,
These are often rootkits and should be able to avoid.
The API based loggers are part of a program like the Windows programs; GetAsyncKeyState(), GetForegroundWindow().

The Hardware loggers are more nasty:
They can hide inside the usb plug of your keyboard connection, but most likely; this is the way to do it:
Firmware-based: BIOS-level firmware that handles keyboard events can be modified to record these events as they are processed. Physical and/or root-level access is required to the machine, and the software loaded into the BIOS needs to be created for the specific hardware that it will be running on.

Yup that sounds like UEFI Microsoft certified secure boot it can only be altered by the OEM when properly certified by Microsoft.
On other PC's UEFI secure boot can be turned of - if that is to late or not, is hard to say.

So to avoid these "attacks" you need to install rootkit software like rkhunter as the first thing you do; right after you - and no one else - have installed the OS.
Naturally the install medium could be infected so open source is a must. +1

Here is an overview of the keyloogers

Re: The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 10 Mar 2014, 11:50
by R_Head
The only fear that you need to have is fear of to gov itself.

Re: The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 10 Mar 2014, 14:50
by viking60
The government is only trying to keep us "cosy and warm". no need to be critical, you must trust them - they take care of us like ...Mother:

Mama's gonna make all of your
Nightmares come true
Mama's gonna put all of her fears into you
Mama's gonna keep you right here
Under her wing
She won't let you fly but she might let you sing
Mama will keep baby cosy and warm
Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe
Of course Mama's gonna help build the wall

Mother do think she's good enough for me
Mother do think she's dangerous to me
Mother will she tear your little boy apart
Oooh aah, mother will she break my heart

Hush now baby, baby don't you cry
Mama's gonna check out all your girl friends for you
Mama won't let anyone dirty get through
Mama's gonna wait up till you get in
Mama will always find out where
You've been
Mamma's gonna keep baby healthy and clean
Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe Ooooh Babe
You'll always be a baby to me
Mother, did it need to be so high.

That is even better than a Big Brother.

I just need to add that if MS secure booting is going to be used for this, then Microsoft must be in on it. +1

As a little side note; here is Bill Gates with the former Norwegian Prime Minister
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Officially they are friends and do charities together....
Here is Bill Gates with the present Prime Minister
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Exactly what they are doing together is not official yet - but I think the story is charity there too :mrgreen:

I wonder if they have have discussed software like keyloogers and secure booting? :think:

In any case it is impossible for the government to choose something other than Windows with such a nice guy as the founder.

As far as I know Linus Torvalds is not doing charities with the Norwegian government ..... or any government.
So he is not as nice as Bill Gates.
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But he is pretty outspoken and clear - no government likes that. So I kind of doubt that they can make this work on Linux. Redhat tried to implement the secure boot key from Microsoft and were hammered by Linus for it:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/13/02/2 ... -developer
'Guys, this is not a d*#@-sucking contest. If you want to parse PE binaries, go right ahead. If Red Hat wants to deep-throat Microsoft, that's *your* issue. That has nothing what-so-ever to do with the kernel I maintain

Re: The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 10 Mar 2014, 15:26
by R_Head
I think Uncle Billy moved to the Scandinavian Peninsula some time ago...

Perhaps this deal with Nokia and MS has some to do with it too. :think:

Re: The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 05:57
by Panther96
viking60 wrote:The government is only trying to keep us "cosy and warm". no need to be critical, you must trust them - they take care of us like ...Mother:


BUT! its all for a good reason! Skip the drama, Stay with mama!...madre knows best! :mrgreen:


Re: The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 12 Mar 2014, 08:52
by Blackcrack
*lol*
:think: why the hack i mus now thinking on microsoft ? *rofl* :whistle:

best regards
Blacky

Re: The Norwegian secret police want keyloggers

Posted: 24 Mar 2014, 16:26
by viking60
It looks like the NSA has shared some technology with the Norwegian friends:
This baby will record keystrokes even when you are not online - the agents simply intercept it with a radar.
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Ha you cannot fool me - I will be sitting in the refrigerator computing - after this.

And where is the quality control of this thing not causing cancer? Good bureaucrats need to document that these waves are not dangerous (once that becomes a requirement it will never happen - because bureaucrats never get to finish things :-D )