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GCHQ give away EU retention data to the US

Postby viking60 » 22 Jun 2013, 04:35

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The Guardian has revealed that the EU data retention as the UK practises it - even shocks the NSA.
"It's not just a US problem. The UK has a huge dog in this fight," Snowden told the Guardian. "They [GCHQ] are worse than the US."

And they are willingly giving away the data to the NSA.
By May last year 300 analysts from GCHQ, and 250 from the NSA, had been assigned to sift through the flood of data.

The Americans were given guidelines for its use, but were told in legal briefings by GCHQ lawyers: "We have a light oversight regime compared with the US".

When it came to judging the necessity and proportionality of what they were allowed to look for, would-be American users were told it was "your call".


The GCHQ seem to prefer to tap the data from the cables. And they are collecting huge mountains of data.
The operation is called Tempora.

And it goes way beyond the traditional data retention:
GCHQ and the NSA are consequently able to access and process vast quantities of communications between entirely innocent people, as well as targeted suspects.

This includes recordings of phone calls, the content of email messages, entries on Facebook and the history of any internet user's access to websites – all of which is deemed legal, even though the warrant system was supposed to limit interception to a specified range of targets.


Amazingly this is considered all legal in the UK. But the parties interested in using this are exploiting a 13 year old law that has been outdone by the technical development.
Parliament passed the Ripa law to allow GCHQ to trawl for information, but it did so 13 years ago with no inkling of the scale on which GCHQ would attempt to exploit the certificates, enabling it to gather and process data regardless of whether it belongs to identified targets.


Fighting crime sure has a steep price these days.

And where are my manners:
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Re: GCHQ give away EU retention data to the US

Postby dedanna1029 » 22 Jun 2013, 07:40

Yup, I do believe that I mentioned that this is an international issue. The only thing is, I may have got the "illegal" part wrong.

Although, I'm still not 100% on that. Still checking into it.
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Re: GCHQ give away EU retention data to the US

Postby viking60 » 22 Jun 2013, 08:55

It makes perfect sense.
And it is immensely practical too - If US agents are forbidden to look at US citizens records - UK agents are not.
And getting those data back from the UK foreigners is NSA's job so.... They are technically both targeting "foreigners". And "foreigners" do not have nor deserve any rights - if I understand this correctly - because they are bad - and we are good. +1

It's a match made in heaven for both agencies.

I have heard that James Bond does not like this though - he is the old school type :-D
I do not believe that this is limited to those two countries - others are willingly exchanging data too (without informing their people that their data are exchanged with foreign agencies).

In any case both countries will get a place of "honor" on Amnesty Internationals list over countries violating the human rights.

The human right of privacy.
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Re: GCHQ give away EU retention data to the US

Postby dedanna1029 » 23 Jun 2013, 23:45

A-f*ckin'-men.

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Breaking news: Foreigners might have rights too...

Postby viking60 » 25 Jun 2013, 03:24

After having targeted the citizens of US allies. Some of those seem to suffer under the impression that they have rights and that their rights should be respected.
They even dared to send this letter to the US Congress.
It is also notable that the United States government supported the United Nations Human Rights Council Resolution 20/8, which “[a]ffirms that the same rights that people have offline must also be protected online, in particular freedom of expression …”5 and, just a few days ago, on June 10, the US was part of a core group of countries that drafted a cross regional statement, which correctly emphasized “that when addressing any security concerns on the Internet, this must be done in a manner consistent with states’ obligations under international human rights law and full respect for human rights must be maintained.”6 That was apparently not the case with the latest practices of the US Government. Besides representing a major violation of fundamental human rights of people worldwide, the incoherence between practices and public statements by the US also undermines the moral credibility of the country within the global community that fights for human rights, as they apply to the Internet and fatally impacts consumers’ trust in all American companies that provide worldwide services.



The secret laws that give the NSA bulk access to the communications of US citizens are heavily criticized too:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/r ... fisa-court

The big questions are:
Is this all necessary to fight crime and terrorism? Is the threat so severe that the human rights can be disregarded? Is it worth it?
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Re: GCHQ give away EU retention data to the US

Postby dedanna1029 » 27 Jun 2013, 16:13

I say it's been a dozen years since the one whole attack that 'murica's had on their soil since gods only know when. Get over it. Quit making up fantasy scenarios to do what was going to be done anyway. It's all excuses, and using fear to control the population. It's stupid. If 'murica really were the strongest nation on the earth (which it clearly isn't), then the fear and paranoid-delusional behavior is unjustified.

So goes the 'murican government.
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