Arch Linux

[dedanna1029]

Ah, so the update's in yaourt now? I checked yesterday, and it was still at the same version I'm on... did Berlios get on it after I filed that or something?

Edit: Just tried it and saw the update in yaourt, and it works here now, too!

Thank you Berlios!

Edit: And thank you Joste for sending me the BerliOS link to report to! Good show, that.

[viking60]

I came over this one today and I think it deserves a spot here:

[dedanna1029]

OOOOOOOOOOHHH...

It's pacman -Ss to search for a package!!! Never saw that in the pacman -h! Niiiiiiiiiccce...

Note also he has steam installed!! w00t!

Wonderful finds there, Viking!

Also, I haz a nice one for you! Nero is in yaourt!

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:) yaourt nero
1 community/nrg2iso 0.4-7 [0.00 M] [installed]
    Utility for converting CD or DVD image generated by Nero Burning Rom to ISO format
2 aur/cdi2nero 0.9.9-2 (0)
    A simple utility to convert a DiscJuggler image to a Nero NRG image.
3 aur/nero 2-1 (8)
    Neuro-Evolving Robotic Operatives. A game of training and battle.
4 aur/neroaacdec 1.5.4-2 (34)
    Nero AAC reference quality MPEG-4 and 3GPP audio codec
5 aur/neroaacenc 1.5.4-2 (72)
    Nero AAC reference quality MPEG-4 and 3GPP audio codec
6 aur/neroaactag 1.5.4-2 (18)
    Nero AAC reference quality MPEG-4 and 3GPP audio codec
7 aur/neroconv 1.00-2 (16)
    A program which converts Nero image files (nrg) to ISO9660
8 aur/nerolinux 4.0.0.0-2 [installed] (356)
    Nero Burning ROM for linux
9 aur/nerolinux3 3.5.3.1-1 (31)
    Nero Burning ROM 3 for linux
10 aur/ogmrip-nero-aac 0.4-1 (2)
    ogmrip-nero-aac is a plugin which adds support for Nero-AAC audio codec
11 aur/qtuneroid 0.9-7 (19)
    Tuner for variety of musical instruments (especially guitar)
12 aur/tuneroid 0.9.5-2 (10)
    Tuner for variety of musical instruments (especially guitar)
==> Enter n° of packages to be installed (ex: 1 2 3 or 1-3)

So, if you've bought Nerolinux, and have a valid serial number, it will install from yaourt - plug your s/n into it, and go with it - I have kept up on paying for it, and for the most part, it works wonderfully!

I do have a few issues on boot - one being that since the last kernel update, it no longer recognizes my Audigy2 card ... says it has to guess at it... and then it is there once I'm in the desktop, but it shouldn't be failing on boot.

In rc.conf, I have this for daemons:

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DAEMONS=(syslog-ng network netfs crond alsa hal alsa postgresql dbus)

The last 3 fail on boot... alsa I'm assuming because the Audigy fails on boot... postgresql I don't understand at all... it's always run fine on the version I'm on of it, and dbus... I'm not understanding that one.

Thanks!

[dedanna1029]

Ah, okay...:

Add both dbus and hal to the array, with dbus preceding hal:

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DAEMONS=(syslog-ng dbus hal network netfs ...)

... Had a feeling it was something like that.

Also, I think I've done this but will double-check it:

For D-Bus and HAL to be of any practical use, local user accounts should be members of the groups optical and storage. To achieve this, use /usr/bin/gpasswd as root:

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# gpasswd -a username optical
# gpasswd -a username storage

Replace username with your actual username (e.g. johndoe).

This still does not explain my Audigy2 failing on boot, nor alsa failing. Ah, just noticed now since I wrote it down in the post above, that I have alsa in /etc/rc.conf twice... argh!

[dedanna1029]

I also still have the password niggle with yaourt, even after all the messing about we've done to get sudo going (and I still don't use ).

[dedanna1029]

Next issue, seems like I kinda got meself into a pickle here. I need to install mplayer from the regular repos, and uninstall mplayer-x, but it's getting me into dep hell:

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:( yaourt -R mplayer-x mplayer-all-skins
Password:
Password:
Password:
You are not allowed to launch pacman with sudo
Please enter root password
Password:
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: acetoneiso2: requires mplayer
:: atunes: requires mplayer
:: devede: requires mplayer
:: electricsheep: requires mplayer
:: gmencoder: requires mplayer
:: gnome-mplayer-svn: requires mplayer
:: kdemultimedia-mplayerthumbs: requires mplayer
:: mandvd: requires mplayer
:: mplayer-terminal: requires mplayer
:: mplayerstart: requires mplayer
:: qdvdauthor: requires mplayer
:: tovid: requires mplayer
:: videotrans: requires mplayer

I tried just installing mplayer with pacman, with the following result because of the above:

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# pacman -S mplayer
resolving dependencies...
looking for inter-conflicts...
:: mplayer and mplayer-x are in conflict. Remove mplayer-x? [y/N] y
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: mplayer-all-skins: requires mplayer-x

How do I force-install mplayer, like we used to do in MDV, where we could use the --nodeps, or --force-nodeps (whatever it was) option? I was thinking I could install mplayer with whatever the --nodeps option is in Arch, then uninstall mplayer-x (then it wouldn't have the dep issue).

[dedanna1029]

Next issue, seems like I kinda got meself into a pickle here. I need to install mplayer from the regular repos, and uninstall mplayer-x, but it's getting me into dep hell:

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How do I force-install mplayer, like we used to do in MDV, where we could use the --nodeps, or --force-nodeps (whatever it was) option? I was thinking I could install mplayer with whatever the --nodeps option is in Arch, then uninstall mplayer-x (then it wouldn't have the dep issue).

Frig. It appears I've gotten myself into a REAL pickle dependency-wise. When I try it even manually:

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# pacman -R tovid videotrans qdvdauthor acetoneiso2 atunes devede electricsheep gmencoder gnome-mplayer-svn kdemultimedia-mplayerthumbs mandvd mplayer-terminal mplayerstart mplayer-x mplayer-all-skins
checking dependencies...
error: failed to prepare transaction (could not satisfy dependencies)
:: kde-meta-kdemultimedia: requires kdemultimedia-mplayerthumbs
:: qdvdauthor-templates: requires qdvdauthor

Anything at all I can do?

Edit: Yes! Removing also kde-meta-kdemultimedia and qdvdauthor-templates did it (I thought that would run me into more dep errors at first) - got it, never mind! Now I just have to reinstall everything, except install regular mplayer from the repos, rather than one from yaourt lol (thank you, there *may* be a god - it didn't want to uninstall Imagine, which has become very important to me! ).

Thanks!

[dedanna1029]

Apologies for flooding there... it's just so rare any more that I get to post about stuff like this... Arch is so stable doncha no... I am sorry though. If it's not acceptable, I can edit to combine posts or something?

Edit: And, we are now down to solely the audigy2 card not being recognized on boot... there is nothing in dmesg about it however... alsa, dbus, and postgresql are now all starting on boot.

[dedanna1029]

PLEASE vote for Bug #21395 - it's been since Oct. 21, and the doggone thing hasn't been assigned to anyone yet, or responded to. Also, if you know the way to bump up the priority on it, please do tell. I am just about to the "I can't handle this any more" point.

I have also posted to the Arch forum about this.

Thanks.

[viking60]

I am not able to reproduce this error. What you describe simply does not happen here. So I cannot vote for it. I just do not get what you have been doing there.
The last time around you argued that your configuration was so very different. You tend to do a lot of superduper special stuff and love to be mysterious about it, (and in this case you are 100% successful ).
Just remove xscreensaver and see if you get it working then.
Yes I know that will fubar your superduper special plans, but Arch screensaver will probably work. I have xscreensaver and it works fine. I removed the gnome-screensaver. I have told you this before but you did not want to do that, for some superduper special reason.

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.:[ viking@viking60-server : 08:36:47 : ~ ]:.
:) pacman -Q gnome-screensaver
feil: pakke "gnome-screensaver" ikke funnet
.:[ viking@viking60-server : 08:51:52 : ~ ]:.
:( pacman -Q xscreensaver
xscreensaver 5.12-1
.:[ viking@viking60-server : 08:52:16 : ~ ]:.
:)


From the xsceensaver man page:

USING GNOME
For many years, GNOME shipped xscreensaver as-is, and everything just worked out of the box. Recently, however, they've been re-inventing the wheel again in the form of "gnome-screensaver".
To replace gnome-screensaver with xscreensaver:

1: Turn off gnome-screensaver.
Open ``System / Preferences / Screensaver'' and uncheck both boxes.
2: Stop gnome-screensaver from launching at login.
Run the command:
gconftool-2 --type boolean -s \
/apps/gnome_settings_daemon/screensaver/start_screensaver \
false
Or, just uninstall the "gnome-screensaver" package entirely.

3: Launch xscreensaver at login.
Open ``System / Preferences / Sessions / Startup Programs''. Click ``Add'' and type ``xscreensaver''.
4: Tell Preferences to use the xscreensaver configurator.
Edit /usr/share/applications/gnome-screensaver-preferences.desktop and change the Exec= line to say
Exec=xscreensaver-demo
5: Make ``System / Quit / Lock Screen'' use xscreensaver.
Run the command:
sudo ln -sf /usr/bin/xscreensaver-command \
/usr/bin/gnome-screensaver-command

I also have the kdeartwork-kscreensaver installed.

[dedanna1029]

There's nothing super-duper-special about having both gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver installed, like most distros do (Mandriva does this by default, with xscreensaver-demo installed on installation), and having the ability to turn off gnome-screensaver and turn on xscreensaver wish xscreensaver-demo, and you told me that you had reproduced this with Mandriva. I also found in the Arch wiki night before last, where they stated that when using Gnome, it's best to use gnome-screensaver and not xscreensaver (Here it is).

It doesn't matter what screensaver anything right now. They are all turned off, and so is blanking, along with dpms. My monitor blanks anyway now since it's all turned off, and is impossible to resume from (just had to go through it again to get it to resume).

For example, if using Gnome, install gnome-screensaver and xscreensaver but only have gnome-screensaver active. This allows for all the screensavers to be selected, and keep the ability for user switching in the event that one user has the screen locked, and another user wants to "switch users" to he/she can access to the box.

Note the preference for keeping gnome-screensaver active. However, I was keeping xscreensaver active just fine until this started happening. This is what I *normally* do, up until last month. They can be run side by side, so long as both are not active at the same time, which they can't be anyway.

[viking60]

Oh sorry! You seemed so desperate for help that I thought you might be willing to try something that actually works . I guess I have given the help I can with it.
This leaves us with the following facts:
My Screensaver is working!
Yours is not!

My situation is simple: I RTFM for xscreensaver, followed it, and got it working.

Regarding Mandriva I have not necessarily reproduced that error, but a similar error where the screen had difficulties with getting back on again when I hit a key. Turning it on and off will work every time.
In Mandriva it will be close to impossible to remove gnome-screensaver due to the dependencies.

I am a simple foreigner so forgive this question: Why do you need gnome-screensaver when you have a functioning xscreensaver?