Gnome 3 -The switch!

[dedanna1029]

Not a happy bunny at all. From the previous updates, I had to set fusion-icon to Metacity alone, so I wouldn't get 3D on startup. Just went back into Arch a few ago. There's no longer that window with the icons and applications, of course, with no 3D. Now, I just have the applications and places menu on the one screen, and hitting windows toggle does absolutely nothing. That's good, and to be expected without 3D I guess.

Here's the rub: Even with NO 3D on load, my hard drive still runs like a son of a bitch for some two minutes after I login. The other thing is that I STILL HAVE NO RIGHT-CLICK, AND CAN ADD NOTHING TO THE PANEL. Since I'm using the latest Iron browser in Arch, I need to be able to place it on the panel. Also, this thing does NOT hold the cursor theme that I've chosen like it used to in Gnome 2. It will pop in when I'm doing certain things briefly, but otherwise, it goes its own way to another theme that I'd had previously to this one, that looks deplorable on this thing, with the wallpaper I have.

Just got through with all the latest updates, no improvement on any of these things. I will say however, that at least I don't have to worry about doing your icon tweaks now, as that's the window that's missing. Good. Wasn't really much for that one anyway. Just need to add some things to the panel now is all, and can't.

Oh, sorry, one more thing: In System Settings-->Default Applications, we can't put in a custom app that isn't in their drop-down list. That seriously bites. An executable from an extracted tar ball (Iron), I can't put in there for my default web browser. Same with the others; we can't use anything there but what's already listed for these things.

And, I STILL have no sound notifications when running KDE apps in Gnome like I used to.
They work perfectly fine in systemsettings for KDE, they work perfectly fine when I'm in KDE. There's no reason for this.

Off to back to bed. Bite me, Gnome 3. May you not give me nightmares tonight.

[viking60]

Just read this thread again - all those issues are commented.
Cannot put icons on desktop/panel - use AVN and install the main menu applet. (It is all there).
No rightclick - thats right you don't need it, it is in the Gnome3 documentation (I am not to happy about it either).
They will never "improve" that, it is changed on purpose.
Gnome3 is different from Gnome2 - and that is what you are criticizing.
I do not understand The icon window missing bit. Is gnome shell not running? Are you in fallback-mode? Those icons are not present in fallback/traditional mode.
And Iron is in AUR so it will install pacman-conform.

Some flexibility is gone but there are ways around it. And a lot is gained - but that is a matter of taste and habit.

[dedanna1029]

I'm in fallback. Remember though, like I said, the last time I was in KDE, I set fusion-icon to just "Metacity", so there will be no 3D, 'cause I didn't set it for it. Now, I thank the gods for it, because now I can start it manually if I want it, and not have it crash when I log in. See? Oh, I have a menu. I have the Applications and Places menu right on this window, so no worries there, it's just that I can't add anything to the panel, nor can I set default applications to what I want. That's what ticks me off.

Also, I would think that we could just have a "Desktop" icon on the desktop. I guess that's too much to add. So now, when I want to look for something "on the desktop", I have to go to Nautilus (File Manager in the menu here on this desktop now), then look in the Desktop folder for what I want.

I like it in some ways more like this, in others I'm really ticked. I think icons on the desktop should be user choice. I thought they might leave it that way back when I was following it, but I guess we're too dumb and needy for that now.

I'll show ya here in a sec.

[dedanna1029]

I also need to re-find startup apps; need to get vidalia in there, and a couple other things. Gnome shell is not running. It did what I'd hoped when I set fusion-icon to just "Metacity", and kept 3D from loading on startup. The drawback is, I don't have that second window for icons. It's okay, it gave me back the good old Applications and Places menu right on the desktop. The old Gnome system menu isn't there, but that's okay; they put everything that was in it, into the Applications menu under "System Tools". This is good; I won't have my desktop crashing on load with the 3D startup, and can start it manually now straight from here with fusion-icon, if I choose to (which I'll also have to load manually, but that's fine and dandy for me. At least now I know the effing desktop will load):




Now, if it would just do all this without my hard drive running like a bitch for two minutes after I'm in the desktop, I'd do okay. If you'll notice, there is a spot in the upper right on the panel for notifications (first icon there). I get the notifications there, it's just that they're silent, and I need them with sound. I'm not always at my computer, but keep speakers on, so if someone important comes online, I need to know, and won't now without coming and checking on the computer every so often, so if I'm busy with something here at the house, I don't know unless I check. I also get no system sounds whatsoever. If I play back an mp3 or whatever, yeah, that's great, a youtube vid, fine. But nothing I really need sounds off.

[viking60]

Before I decipher the rest. Metacity crashes Gnome3-shell every time here, as I have said before. So no big surprise there on my account. I had to set it to Compiz to make it work. You always do the exact opposite of what I say One would think that Metacity is the good thing but that has been Compiz here.

I also need to re-find startup apps;

viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1298&start=24#p8644
I have the some network problems. Sometimes the network is not started and I cannot find anything in the menus that helps at all - (that is bad). So I have to do a

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 ifconfig eth0 <ip> netmask 255.255.255.0

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route add default gw 10.0.0.1

That does start the network even if the network indicator in Gnome3 does not show up.
Here is a good review :
http://www.linuxpromagazine.com/Online/ ... ck-Desktop

[dedanna1029]

Interesting it crashes you with Metacity. It's the only way it doesn't crash on me when I login. Yes, I tried it your way. It crashed soon as I got logged in with compiz. That's the point here. It's a good thing, that part here, having it with just Metacity. How many times now have I mentioned,,, I. can't. handle. 3D. on. startup. hardware-wise.

There is a network deal... can't recall offhand where it is though. *May* be in Gnome System Settings, or in the Applications-->System tools menu (can't recall offhand, and I'm not in there right now to check).

[viking60]

3d on startup is rather confusing since Gnome3-shell cannot handle 3d at all. So when you mention it I assume that you are in fallback - You have not always been clear on that. Yes you do keep repeating can't handle 3d. The crash could have been in fallback or shell - you never say. Now it is clear that it is in fallback. Have you tried setting fusion-icon to Compiz and log in to gnome-shell? As stated above it does not start 3d.
The network settings are just gone in Gnome3 when the connection is lost - they only turn up when you have a connection. But it is not a big problem.

[dedanna1029]

Yes! That was the first thing I tried! Remember, I didn't even know about the fallback until you mentioned it here, which was what? A day or two after they came out with Gnome3?
It started at the time, if you'll remember, mutter, which is a 3D app! I have screenshots posted of it running even, the one and only time it didn't crash on login! By 3D, I mean the fancy windows, that second window for applications, etc. etc. - I'm damn glad not to have it now on login, and to be able to start mutter or compiz either one manually, when I want it, and NOT when they want it!

I've tried it each way, each step. This is the way it's best for me unfortunately, and I'm keeping it here. I'm done with it.

[dedanna1029]

As for your network issue, the Network tools are in the Applications menu-->System tools-->Network tools. Click "Configure" by "Network Device". Unless you've already tried it.

[viking60]

Sure tried it.
I love what they have done to Nautilus. CTRL+T gives nice tabs. F3 opens a second window (toggle) Great stuff!

[dedanna1029]

Yeah, but no up arrow to go up a directory any more? Can only go forward or back? So, if I want to go from /home/myuser/Documents/xfolder/yfolder to /home/myuser/Documents, I have to type it into the location field? I can't just click the up arrow twice like I used to? Yeah, looks pretty, we can get new tabs easily, but where's the functions? I noticed the KDE file managers did crap like this too. Where's the functionality? I'm just glad to be able to get properties on a file now in Nautilus. Wonder when they'll be taking that away, too?

"You don't need a desktop honey. We'll do it for you."

[viking60]

The massive title bar on windows is annoying so I did a:

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sed -i '/title_vertical_pad/s|value="[0-9]\{1,2\}"|value="0"|g' /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/metacity-1/metacity-theme-3.xml

And restarted the shell with <ALT>+<F2> and entered "r". That looks much better.